This one will not work. Name is too common. Causes issues.
Lets go with this one.. https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=AmprNET_Net44
-----Original Message----- From: 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+n9lya=uronode.n9lya.ampr.org@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:07 PM To: 'AMPRNet working group' 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Subject: [44net] New Facebook Group
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=net44
Easy enough..
"Jerry" said:
This one will not work. Name is too common. Causes issues.
Lets go with this one.. https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=AmprNET_Net44
No.Facebook.Not.Ever
Ok its out if here.. Sorry guys.. Thanks Jerry
-----Original Message----- From: 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+n9lya=uronode.n9lya.ampr.org@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Kantor Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:23 PM To: AMPRNet working group 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: [44net] New Facebook Group
No, I agree, please no Facebook. I despise it. - Brian
On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 03:19:22PM -0500, Steve K0STK wrote:
No.Facebook.Not.Ever
_________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 1:22:37 PM PDT Brian Kantor wrote:
No, I agree, please no Facebook. I despise it.
- Brian
Thank You
+1 On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 13:22 -0700, Brian Kantor wrote:
No, I agree, please no Facebook. I despise it.
deFace-book, InstaGrudge, etc., all horrible entities. Even Yahoo which not only is going away with the take over by Vz, but the platform is a very insecure java based platform to which we've seen massive numbers of accounts cracked.
Yahoo is changing to a revamped service focusing on news feeds called Oath. With that many of the current "free" services I hear are slated to vanish such as their yahoo groups, yahoo answers, yahoo messenger, and possibly others.
Brian or anyone thinks Facebook is a bad Idea I will delete the new group.
-----Original Message----- From: 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+n9lya=uronode.n9lya.ampr.org@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:12 PM To: 'AMPRNet working group' 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: [44net] New Facebook Group
This one will not work. Name is too common. Causes issues.
Lets go with this one.. https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=AmprNET_Net44
-----Original Message----- From: 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+n9lya=uronode.n9lya.ampr.org@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:07 PM To: 'AMPRNet working group' 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Subject: [44net] New Facebook Group
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=net44
Easy enough..
I like the idea as their groups work well Brian your old skool man :(
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Jerry n9lya@uronode.n9lya.ampr.org wrote:
Brian or anyone thinks Facebook is a bad Idea I will delete the new group.
-----Original Message----- From: 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+n9lya=uronode.n9lya.ampr.org@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:12 PM To: 'AMPRNet working group' 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: [44net] New Facebook Group
This one will not work. Name is too common. Causes issues.
Lets go with this one.. https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=AmprNET_Net44
-----Original Message----- From: 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+n9lya=uronode.n9lya.ampr.org@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:07 PM To: 'AMPRNet working group' 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Subject: [44net] New Facebook Group
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=net44
Easy enough..
I've put up a new group on Facebook, called "AmprNet." The title is short and to the point, but doesn't call out our IPv4 history.
Feel free to join and comment.
73,
Bill W4EWH
On 9/6/2017 4:12 PM, Jerry wrote:
This one will not work. Name is too common. Causes issues.
Lets go with this one.. https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=AmprNET_Net44
-----Original Message----- From: 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+n9lya=uronode.n9lya.ampr.org@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:07 PM To: 'AMPRNet working group' 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Subject: [44net] New Facebook Group
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=net44
Easy enough..
Brian, It is a much cleaner discussion format than email. Lin
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Brian Kantor Brian@ucsd.edu wrote:
I think this was a bad idea. - Brian
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 09:24:38PM -0400, Bill Horne wrote:
I've put up a new group on Facebook, called "AmprNet." The title is short and to the point, but doesn't call out our IPv4 history.
Feel free to join and comment.
73,
Bill W4EWH
44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
I am not now nor do I ever plan to be a Facebook user.
If you want to discuss network 44 matters on a Facebook group, of course you are free to do so, but don't call it AMPRNET please. - Brian
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:46:36PM -0400, Lin Holcomb wrote:
It is a much cleaner discussion format than email. Lin
+10 jerome - ve7ass
On Sep 10, 2017, at 21:09, Brian Kantor Brian@UCSD.Edu wrote:
I am not now nor do I ever plan to be a Facebook user.
If you want to discuss network 44 matters on a Facebook group, of course you are free to do so, but don't call it AMPRNET please.
- Brian
I wont be joining any facebook group either.
Steve
On 11/09/17 14:31, jerome schatten wrote:
+10 jerome - ve7ass
On Sep 10, 2017, at 21:09, Brian Kantor Brian@UCSD.Edu wrote:
I am not now nor do I ever plan to be a Facebook user.
If you want to discuss network 44 matters on a Facebook group, of course you are free to do so, but don't call it AMPRNET please.
- Brian
44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
+1
On Mon, 2017-09-11 at 14:34 +0930, Steve Fraser wrote:
I wont be joining any facebook group either.
I won't be tied to any unsocial media site such as defacing-book or instagrudge or the likes. I don't want to see that Suzi's bff stole her bf and now the world is over - and that I see it because a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of someone who liked it shared it on their page. There's no value whatsoever in that crap.
Ye ole mailman works fine for me.
Our Ham community and the IARC (www.iarc.orghttp://www.iarc.org) have FaceBook group and it is good thing as well as the DMR Im active in have facebook
Idont understand the huge objection you all have for facebook its much better you can post Photos Videos files ETC
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________________________________ From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Lin Holcomb LHolcomb@clearqualitygroup.com Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 7:46 PM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] New Facebook Group
Brian, It is a much cleaner discussion format than email. Lin
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Brian Kantor Brian@ucsd.edu wrote:
I think this was a bad idea. - Brian
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On 11.09.2017. 7:50, R P wrote:
Idont understand the huge objection you all have for facebook its
much better you can post Photos Videos files ETC
It simple: different media for different purpose. Facebook is ok for short term (daily) info with NO intent to be kept for a history purpose.
So if you want to post photo of the equipment or "hey see this" message it is ok. But if you want to publish something of more permanent visibility, Facebook is the last place to do it.
My personal preference are forums as technically most suitable.
For some reason, hams are locked on mail lists which is also quite outdated media for exchanging knowledge purpose.
Pedja YT9TP
On 11/09/2017 5:18 PM, YT9TP - Pedja wrote:
My personal preference are forums as technically most suitable.
Horrible navigation, often poor performance and yet another damn login to remember. I try and aggregate my information, like multiple mailing lists to the one account. Heck, I've even got working Fidonet BBSs exchanging mail on multiple nets, bringing more stuff together. Oh, and the modern BBS platform had a few tricks that web forums don't, like multi protocol access (web, telnet/SSH, NNTP, mailing list access to the same information) - something for everyone. This flexibility of access is something that is lost on web forum developers. :( At least with mailing lists, I can choose to access my email using Thunderbird, Mutt or Gmail's web interface (using IMAP allows me to switch clients routinely). Web forums are an annoying one size (doesn't) fits all proposition that work poorly for me.
For some reason, hams are locked on mail lists which is also quite outdated media for exchanging knowledge purpose.
They still serve a purpose.
BTW I actually did this in 2012 the group still exists but has no activity anyone who wants to join is welcome I will remove it's secret status.
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Brian Kantor Brian@ucsd.edu wrote:
I think this was a bad idea. - Brian
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 09:24:38PM -0400, Bill Horne wrote:
I've put up a new group on Facebook, called "AmprNet." The title is short and to the point, but doesn't call out our IPv4 history.
Feel free to join and comment.
73,
Bill W4EWH
44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
On 9/10/2017 9:24 PM, Bill Horne wrote:
I've put up a new group on Facebook, called "AmprNet." The title is short and to the point, but doesn't call out our IPv4 history.
Feel free to join and comment.
I've since found out that "AmprNet" is trademarked, so I removed the group. Sorry for the confusion.
Bill, W4EWH
I have no problem with mailman. If it had a way to search the archives that would be good. I also think we need some sort of place to upload code and documents. So groups.io would get my vote if we were going to do something external/not hosted ourselves. I don't see Facebook as a good place to really do anything productive.
By the way one week has gone by on the ET Docket 17-215 (its open until October 30 for comment), and we have three comments. (https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/)
Groups.io has no mechanism for uploading the archives of the mailing list, which go back to 2009 and which I think are valuable.
There was a discussion with the site owner/architect about converting mailman lists and archives back in 2015, but it petered out without any resolution.
So I don't think groups.io is suitable for the 44net list. It seems like a fine place for new mailing lists to be hosted, but not for old ones like this one.
You are right that we need a place to upload code and documents.
The wiki is suitable for small documents, more like for info pages, but for serious stuff we don't have anything at this moment. A long time ago we had ftp.ucsd.edu, but it's a legacy site that's likely to finally die some day soon, and I no longer have any way to add stuff to it. - Brian
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:50:34PM -0500, Steve L wrote:
I have no problem with mailman. If it had a way to search the archives that would be good. I also think we need some sort of place to upload code and documents. So groups.io would get my vote if we were going to do something external/not hosted ourselves. I don't see Facebook as a good place to really do anything productive.
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Brian Kantor Brian@ucsd.edu wrote:
Groups.io has no mechanism for uploading the archives of the mailing list, which go back to 2009 and which I think are valuable.
Brian,
Check this out: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/194673 Sounds like they can import mbox format manually.
Tom
Yes, I'd seen that.
I don't know about importing 20,000 plus messages manually, but I suppose I should ask. (And it looks like some of the current list subscribers may have archives going back even further than my own, which means even more messages to import).
Thanks. - Brian
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 02:06:09PM -0700, Tom Hayward wrote:
Check this out: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/194673 Sounds like they can import mbox format manually.
Tom
There is a software package for indexing and searching mailman archives which could possibly be installed on the 44net host, except 1) it's no longer maintained by the authors, and 2) it only indexes NEW postings - there's no way to stuff the archives into it without going through and re-submitting every message individually as though it were a new message. There are 20,571 messages in the archive at this moment; I'm not going to do that. - Brian
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:50:34PM -0500, Steve L wrote:
I have no problem with mailman. If it had a way to search the archives that would be good.
Dear All,
My two pennies about it from Polish perspective.
I do not like Facebook, I fully understand its conflict with my concept of freedom and I have been fighting with a need of having an account till 2014, when some other reasons forced me to do so.
However, facts are as follows. Polish usenet group pl.rec.radio.amatorskie is currently an uninhabited island. Although Polish usenet is in quite good condition (opposite to opinions in another thread), only electronic group (pl.rec.elektronika) is alive among topics similar to radio. There are several foras with some ham discussion, but the activity is very limited there.
On the contrary, the FB group for Polish hams has currently more than 2000 subscribers (when there are similar number of active licenses and even taking into the account that not every member is a ham, there are majority of hams here) and the discussion is so alive, that I am not able to read everything even logging every day.
So, what to do? There is no chance to advise 2000 people to move anywhere else. So I simply browse this group to be up-to-date. The same situation is with several other hobbies I am involved in.
This post is not an advise to create FB group (as I also think its a bad idea as this will split discussion to several places), nor any advise to make an FB account. But in many cases FB cannot be simply ignored.
73s
Luke SP8QED
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