New subject: 44net problems - was: 44net cool toys

22 Mar 2014

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 19:33:14 +0100, YT9TP Pedja &lt;yt9tp(a)uzice.net&gt;
wrote:

...
 On 22.3.2014 16:14, Geoff Joy wrote:

  Wiki's are a collective effort, what have you
done to fix the flaws
 you see there? Have you signed on as a Wiki editor? Have you written
 articles for inclusion on that Wiki? Links go stale, there has to be
 an "ugly bag of mostly water" behind the keyboard to keep a document
 tree fresh and healthy, otherwise off-site links go bad when someone
 drops dead or an organization folds. What are you doing in YOUR spare
 time.

 I see a whole lot of room for improvement and a whole lot of
 networking experts who can "advance the state of the art" but who
 don't seem to be inclined to actually publish what they know.

 What I see above from both of you is "this is a mess, someone needs to
 clean it up, but that someone isn't going to be me". I must boldly
 state that if you have the time to discern a problem and criticize a
 state of affairs, you have the time to take ownership of that problem
 and fix it. 

I think you are on wrong track.

You might be right. 

...
 Don't you see the pattern. People who consider
themselves knowledgeable 
about networking want to get involved in 44net but they cannot 
understand it because there is lack of proper documentation.

Those who understand networking would be most likely to be able to
write proper documentation for 44net since the protocols involved are
no different than any other internet. AX.25 is nothing more than a
modified X.25. The only thing that changes is the medium of
transmission and the latencies.

...
 If they cannot understand and ask for better
documentation, so they 
cannot learn, they are the last persons that should be advised to write 
that documentation. 
I perceived hams criticizing other hams for not being "friendly" to
newcomers, I have been a victim of unfriendly hams myself in the past
and went out of my way to create a new environment in response to
that. My Elmer was the father of a high school friend who took time
out at the end of his workday to mentor us in Morse code. I didn't go
on to get my license until college, however.

...

Documentation should be written by people who do have very good 
knowledge and experience with 44net.

I agree. And that experience best comes with experimentation. But is
44net so different that it's a completely different environment than
hardwired networking? I learned what I know about the protocols by
installing JNOS on a PC and poking and sniffing packets on air when
Windows didn't have a TCP/IP stack. Why is the reverse so difficult?

Current Wifi technology follows directly from the original wireless
development hams pioneered. Even SSID comes from us. The original
development follows directly from the University of Hawaii's
experiments with RF networking, which was well documented. Most of
this isn't "webified", it's all plain text on the FTP site. But yes,
my generation has let the new generation down, we left a plain text
legacy where everyone wants it all on a searchable Wiki and color
pictures.

...
 73
Pedja YT9TP

p.s. I am posting this directly to you, besides sending it on the list 
as my message cannot go through the list - almost all my messages return 
back marked as blacklisted.

I'm posting my reply directly and also to the list so perhaps someone
can review the list logs and fix the rejection. Thanks for your input.

-- 
Geoff Joy - ke6qh - 
AmprNet IP Address Coordinator for San Bernardino & Riverside Counties.
geoff(a)windomeister.com

Re: [44net] 44net problems - was: 44net cool toys