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Re: [44net] Portal
by Rob Janssen 28 Feb '15

28 Feb '15

> Subject: > Re: [44net] Portal > From: > "SP2L-wp" <sp2l(a)wp.pl> > Date: > 02/26/2015 11:24 PM > > To: > AMPRNet working group <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu> > > > > > All of us, we are just(?) human beings. We make > mistakes, we forget things... Also, all of us, > we have our private life, family, health problems... > And what Chris perfectly pointed out, sometime > life unexpectedly, without any excuse - intervenes! > Thus making our life much harder and tough... Sure I agree with that. But as it is, the portal is so far from what we need, and the move towards the goal has been so slow, that I think we must re-think what to do. It is all a hobby, but at times some people are very active developing some part of it, and it becomes a problem when other parts don't keep up with the needs and they are dependent on it. This afternoon I entered a lot of data in the HAMNET DB. (hamnetdb.net) That system is much more like what is required. I could easily enter existing subnet layouts and other definitions, because it does not have that strict "owner" model that the portal has. And it also allows to enter a lot more info. Of course it does not have the links to the tunnel gateway and RIP server, and some more info would be required for that (like defining gateway entries), but it is an opensource project and it might well be easier to extend it towards what we need than to continue developing the portal. Rob

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Re: [44net] Portal
by Bryan Fields 28 Feb '15

28 Feb '15

+1 This needs to be open source, it's a major core component of the AMPRnet space. On February 27, 2015 9:38:21 AM EST, "Javier Henderson (javier)" <javier(a)cisco.com> wrote: > >Why the reluctance to put the code on a public repo that is easily >accessible without having to ask? -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 http://bryanfields.net

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Re: [44net] Portal
by Rob Janssen 27 Feb '15

27 Feb '15

> Subject: > Re: [44net] 44.151.29.29/32 F4LTS > From: > "Marc, LX1DUC" <lx1duc(a)laru.lu> > Date: > 02/25/2015 08:25 PM > > To: > 44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > >> >I would be happy to scrap the Portal and go back to the procmail >> >scripts that Jim Fuller developed and operated for decades. >> >Things worked, and worked dependably, back then!! >> > >> >The Portal is way too "vaccuumous" for me:( >> > >> >--- Jay WB8TKL > Hello Jay, > > I assume that like any development project, Jim's solution didn't work > 100% from the beginning either. Cut the developers of the portal some > slack and report your issues here, so the issues become known and can > be fixed (or someone may provide a workaround). > > Anyway the thanks to all the developers on the project! > > 73 de Marc I agree with that in principle, but I have reported several issues and rarely ever was anything changed to solve those issues, while in the meantime things were changed that caused even more issues (like the mandatory selection of a registered subnet for an IPIP tunnel), or that added features that were not near the top of any wishlist observed here (like an API). What I need in my daily work as a coordinator in a network that has been springing into life again is a usable mechanism for address assignment, and a way to edit an existing structure into the new database. Without those present, I have to work around the system and tell people to ignore features and make requests in a separate mail. That would be fine if there would be visible progress, say a new feature every month or two, but I have a hard time seeing any. Rob

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Remote traceroute tool
by Tom Hayward 27 Feb '15

27 Feb '15

The other day I helped another 44net user troubleshoot his IPIP configuration by running a traceroute from our network. He asked, "what is the last working hop?" I decided it might be useful to the community at large to release a tool that allowed doing this test from our network without waiting for me to run a command. Here it is: http://trace.hamwan.net/ It is simply a web interface to mtr. I hope this allows people to confirm their IPIP tunnels are working properly. The tool is published on non-44net IPv4 and IPv6 addresses, in case your tunnels aren't working properly yet. (This plan might not be as good as I'd hoped, because the DNS is still on 44.24.240/20.) The source IP for the actual traceroute will be 44.24.241.98. If you would like to deploy this on your piece of 44net, or improve the code, the source is available here: https://github.com/kd7lxl/mtr-web Tom KD7LXL

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Re: [44net] Portal
by SP2L-wp 26 Feb '15

26 Feb '15

Hello Andrew et al. I would like politely remark, that although I participate in portal.ampr.org development, my only task (so far) to which I volunteered, is polish language version of portal.ampr.org Surely, working closely with the source code of portal I spotted some minor mistakes, misprints and so on which I always passed to Chris for review. But to be candid, myself I introduced to the code (fortunately ONLY in polish language version!) some mistakes which made this part of code temporary unusable; Chris needed to correct them! All of us, we are just(?) human beings. We make mistakes, we forget things... Also, all of us, we have our private life, family, health problems... And what Chris perfectly pointed out, sometime life unexpectedly, without any excuse - intervenes! Thus making our life much harder and tough... With best regards from Gdynia. _____ Tom - SP2L (ex sp2lob) __________________________ Send from Sony Xperia Z1 http://aqua-mail.com

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Re: [44net] Portal
by Bryan Fields 26 Feb '15

26 Feb '15

On 2/26/15 4:25 PM, Andrew Ragone (RIT Student) wrote: > To clarify, too, this would be not only for the portal but the website as > well ... in which everyone could contribute to web content / wiki to > describe aspects of 44net and IP in Amateur Radio. have you seen http://wiki.ampr.org/index.php/Main_Page ? -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice 727-214-2508 - Fax http://bryanfields.net

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Re: [44net] 44.151.29.29/32 F4LTS
by Rob Janssen 25 Feb '15

25 Feb '15

> Subject: > [44net] 44.151.29.29/32 F4LTS > From: > "Marc, LX1DUC" <lx1duc(a)laru.lu> > Date: > 02/14/2015 12:21 AM > > To: > AMPRNet working group <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Good evening, > > is Eric F4LTS on this list or does anybody have his contact data? > > Eric has added network 44.151.29.29/32 with Gateway 44.151.29.29, once > the IPIP interface on my router comes up, the route for > 44.151.29.29/32 via 44.151.29.29 comes up, which in turn takes down > the interface which disabled the route, which allows the interface to > come up... a fine loop. > > I had to filter his network 44.151.29.29/32 from the results I fetch > via the API in order to keep my log size down. > > I'm not sure if the portal should allow the gateway for a network to > between inside that same network. I think it makes no sense but please > correct me if I'm wrong. > > 73 de Marc, LX1DUC It is certainly not correct... fortunately ampr-ripd ignores such routes after it was found that other people (like SA0BXI) had created them and they caused encapsulation loops. But of course you are right, the portal should simply refuse to store such incorrect information in the first place. It should issue an error message that makes the user think again about what they have requested. I am a bit disappointed about the progress in the portal development. Sure it can happen that people are temporarily busy and have to postpone things a bit until more time is available, but the portal as it is now has halted the development of amprnet and left everything in a stalemate situation. The DNS part needs to be finished, the allocation of subnets has to be much more flexible, overrides have to be made available to coordinators, and some address management tools have to be added. When it is decided that this cannot be done in the time available to the developer, it may be better to switch to another management system like the hamnet-db. 73, Rob

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question about iptables command not being accepted
by Rosalio Salas 21 Feb '15

21 Feb '15

In the wiki example... http://wiki.ampr.org/index.php/Ubuntu_Linux_Gateway_Example Under Protecting the Gateway... The following OUTPUT command is not accepted. sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT The error reads: "iptables version 1.4.14 can't use -i with output" Any suggestions? -- Leo , N5JEP

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Re: [44net] Linux files purity...
by Bryan Fields 15 Feb '15

15 Feb '15

I'd propose a purity test. 😀 On February 15, 2015 12:35:30 PM EST, Mitch Winkle <mitchwinkle(a)gmail.com> wrote: >(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) >_______________________________________________ >Being a ^M "offender" I can tell you that the ax.25 and Uronode and >axMailFax software have no issues with said ^M characters in the >axports >file. The blank line issue has been well known for years but to my >recollection, only for NetROM's nrports file. I (until yesterday) had >a >blank end line on my axports file to no detriment. > >Tom thank you for following your hunch, and hopefully we can get that >documented for the "fbb" script for us newby types. > >Mitch >

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Linux files purity...
by SP2L-wp 15 Feb '15

15 Feb '15

To whom it may concern. As some issues lately discussed on both lists evidently show, there is not to much attention paid to REAL PURITY of all, or at lest some linux config files, in particular axports file. It is CRUCIAL, that axports file: - CAN NOT contain ANY EMPTY line at all! If additional space is necessary between lines then usual spaceholder "#" is fine, - CAN NOT contain ^M (CR - in hex 0x0D) code at the end of any line! NOT RESPECTING above two rules may result in unpredictable behavior of many AMPRNet software, not to mention FBB BBS, URONode. Presence of ^M (CR) code can be viewed and corrected, for instance, in Midnight Commander, VI and well known Emacs editors. >From the other hand, simple and friendly editors like nano and joe, apparently are useless... There are few nifty tools that may one use for removing ^M characters, even from bunch of files without editing. Best known is dos2unix available for all linux like distros. Best regards _____ Tom - SP2L (ex sp2lob) __________________________ Send from Sony Xperia Z1 http://aqua-mail.com

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