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by Chris

Hi all, I'm looking to get back on the 44net after many many years. There used to be a hamgate in Muskegon MI run by WB8I, and is also listed on the AMPR.ORG site - however my several attempts to contact him have gone unanswered. I also haven't heard anything on the radio local.... Does anyone have any information on a hamgate in the Muskegon / Grand Rapids area in Michigan? Any info is appreciated! 73 Chris KC8BAT

4 years, 2 months

IPIP link from Google Compute Engine

by Matthew Chambers

So I have a linBPQ node running on a Debian VM at Google and it's working on my assigned public IP there. I found that while they can do BGP announce of a 44 net subnet but it'd take a bit futzing around that I'm reserving for if I can't do an IPIP tunnel from there. My bpq32.conf has this for my IPGateway config IPGATEWAY # My Pub IP 35.209.142.98 # My Int IP 10.128.0.56 ADAPTER ens4 44ENCAP 10.128.0.56 IPAddr 44.46.15.1/24 IPPorts 1,2,3 NAT 44.46.15.5 10.128.0.56 **** and I have 2 firewall rules setup besides the ones I need for BPQ stuff (telnet and AXIP links) ACCEPT IP 169.228.34.84 all protocols ACCEPT IP 0.0.0.0/0 IPIP I'd think the 2nd one would cover everything I'd need but I decided to go ahead and make one to accept anything from the 44net Gateway at 169.228.34.84 just in case. Anyone else attempted anything like this? I know I could go setup something with vultr but I'm trying to keep all my VMs in once place if possible (and avoid a 2nd hosting bill) -- -- Matthew Chambers, NR0Q -- The content of this email is confidential and intended for the recipient specified in message only. It is strictly forbidden to share any part of this message with any third party, without a written consent of the sender. If you received this message by mistake, please reply to this message and follow with its deletion, so that we can ensure such a mistake does not occur in the future. Please do not print this email unless it is necessary. Every unprinted email helps the environment.

4 years, 2 months

5 GHz link over 250 km of sea between Corsica and France / Italy ?

by Toussaint OTTAVI

Hi all, Some friends from south of France submitted the idea of a 5 GHz link between France and Corsica. The distance is 200-250 km, mostly over the sea. It's far longer than what I could see on HamNetDB, for example. But it's shorter than WiFi world records (some of them attempted more than 10 years ago between Italy and Sardinia). I never attempted links longer than 40km, so I don't have any experience. And we don't have any SHF expert locally... 1/ Do you think a permanent and stable 250 km link over the Mediterranean sea is doable ? Are some of you using such long links in 5 GHz ? If so, could you share your technical experience here ? 2/ Are there any people from Italy on this list ? Are there any volunteers between Genova and Roma to attempt a link with the East coast of Corsica ? If it works, would there be an interest in establishing a permanent link ? Thank you for your comments, 73 de TK1BI

4 years, 2 months

Creating / hosting a new sub-mailing-list 44net-fr ?

by Toussaint OTTAVI

Hi, I often talked with French 44net guys, and it appears there's no current forum or mailing-list for communications between us, without polluting the world-wide 44net list. A long time ago, I planned to create a dedicated mailing-list 44net-fr on our mail server, but I never finished it, HI :-) The current project of a link between Corsica and France shows the need of such a tool, because private mails are becoming too bulky. My primary idea was to create a group on groups.io. As AMPR has now fundings and technical team, would it be possible to host such a 44net-fr mailing-list directly at ampr.org ? 73 de TK1BI

4 years, 3 months

Addl Portal Services

by Kris Kirby

If we've got a TAC working new possible opportunities for 44net, I strongly recommend developing and deploying a Dynamic DNS (DDNS) service, and extending the portal so that end users may edit thier own DNS records. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Architect, Systems Mangler, & Network Mismanager

4 years, 3 months

Known (US) providers to route/announce a 44

by Nick Hammler

(Sorry for repost. Chris kindly informed me that my messages are empty. I think it could be because GPG sig. Another attempt without it) Hi, I am aware there will be a slim chance for this to happen but having a 44net subnet directly routed would be super amazing. I am aware that "normal" providers likely won't do this except for business customers (at many $$$/months) and likely the subnet needs to be large (>=/24?) I could imagine though that small providers may be up for it (as an example, in a place I lived many years ago, I had a small provider; I contacted the CEO directly and he immideately agreed to assign+route me a /29 at no cost!). Are there any known providers (US, California) who could route a 44net subnet? To everyone who has their 44 routed directly: How does it work for you? Finally: The whole 44net is announed only by the UCSD gateway (as far as I understand). Wouldn't it be great to improve the connectivity, reliability, redundancy by having 44 announced by multiple people who route their subnet directly and then forwarding them to the mesh network via ipip? Is there a reason this is not done, other than nobody besides UCSD volunteered ? Thanks, KM6RDV

4 years, 3 months

Questions on (reverse) DNS

by Nick Hammler

(Sorry for repost. Chris kindly informed me that my messages are empty. I think it could be because GPG sig. Another attempt without it) Hi all, I am new to 44net and I haven't found much about DNS. I have the following questions: 1. In order to get traffic routed through the 44 gateway, does a forward or reverse DNS entry need to exist? Does it need to satisfy certain format/conditions? (from a technical standpoint, existance of reverse would make sense as it's done in SMTP servers, but I don't know how this information is queried by the gateway). 2. I run my own bind (also accessible over 44net). I'd love to handle my DNS entries on my own (not least because every request on the portal can take well over a year to be answered, at least for me). Is it possible to request classless in-add.arpa delegation (RFC2317) for my subnet? 3. If the ampr.org domain is used, are there any requirements on the format/hierarchy? Can it be a subdomain <myname>.ampr.org? Or does it need to be <callsign>.ampr.org? Can all entries and hierarchy under this subdomain be freely chosen? 4. Is there any way in the portal to keep track of DNS related requests/messages as it is for subnets? I am not sure any more if, when, what and who I have asked about DNS and I want to avoid sending the request again if it's still "pending". Thanks, Nick

4 years, 3 months

Known (US) providers to route/announce a 44

by Nick Hammler

4 years, 3 months

Questions on (reverse) DNS

by Nick Hammler

4 years, 3 months

Pacific Packet Radio Society history site: www.pprs.org

by John Gilmore

Curtis Spangler, N6ECT, has kindly created an archive of documents and photos from amateur radio packet networking history. The Pacific Packet Radio Society was a small group of hams in the San Francisco Bay Area, led by Hank Magnuski, KA6M, in the 1980s. Hank's KA8M-1 repeater talked half duplex at 1200 bits/sec with VADCG Terminal Node Controllers throughout the Bay Area. A good chunk of the history is here, including how Hank originally requested and received the 44net IP address allocation: http://www.pprs.org/ In particular, in this page, Hank wrote on 1981-06-10 to Paul Rinaldo, W4RI, thanking him for information about the INTERNET protocols, and reported: http://www.pprs.org/bulletin/pages/page003.html "In looking over this document the application of the standard is fairly straightforward except for one area, and that concerns addressing. A four byte source or destination address is specified, and that does not meet our needs. The first byte of this four byte field represents a network, and about 40 of the possible 256 combinations are already assigned. I attempted to contact the author of the document to see if a number could be assigned to an amateur radio experimental network, or to see if there already was a number for personal computing networks, but John [sic] Postel was out of town, and I didn't get an answer to my question. It seems clear that 256 networks is somewhat limiting, and that some future revision of the standard will have to expand this field." (As we now know, figuring out how to allocate network addresses, and route packets among them, is not as simple as it seemed back then!) Page 13 reports, in a 1981-12-06 page of notes about how to build packet repeaters and networks: http://www.pprs.org/bulletin/pages/page013.jpg "Direct connect stations using IP protocol can use "NET 00 00 00" as the network node address. NET is decimal 44." John Gilmore, W0GNU

4 years, 3 months

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