Hi,
I often talked with French 44net guys, and it appears there's no current forum or mailing-list for communications between us, without polluting the world-wide 44net list.
A long time ago, I planned to create a dedicated mailing-list 44net-fr on our mail server, but I never finished it, HI :-) The current project of a link between Corsica and France shows the need of such a tool, because private mails are becoming too bulky.
My primary idea was to create a group on groups.io.
As AMPR has now fundings and technical team, would it be possible to host such a 44net-fr mailing-list directly at ampr.org ?
73 de TK1BI
That’s a good idea.
I have setup 44net-fr for you:
https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr
If you want any of the French language pages changing please let me know.
73, Chris - G1FEF
On 10 Sep 2021, at 06:53, Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:
Hi,
I often talked with French 44net guys, and it appears there's no current forum or mailing-list for communications between us, without polluting the world-wide 44net list.
A long time ago, I planned to create a dedicated mailing-list 44net-fr on our mail server, but I never finished it, HI :-) The current project of a link between Corsica and France shows the need of such a tool, because private mails are becoming too bulky.
My primary idea was to create a group on groups.io.
As AMPR has now fundings and technical team, would it be possible to host such a 44net-fr mailing-list directly at ampr.org ?
73 de TK1BI _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net
Le 10/09/2021 à 09:23, Chris Smith a écrit :
That’s a good idea.
I have setup 44net-fr for you:
https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr
Thank you very much Chris. I'm not available right now, but I'll have a look later.
73 de TK1BI
Le 10/09/2021 à 09:23, Chris Smith a écrit :
https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr
Ahem... It seems I have some routing issues : mailman.ampr.org resolves to 44.76.7.7. But currently, only 44.190.0.0/16 is routed to public Internet. 44.76 is currently not routed outside of the island. Same for portal.ampr.org, which seems to have migrated from 44.190 to 44.1.
Has the TAC proposal about renumbering been approved, and should we apply it ASAP ? Or did I miss something ? :-)
73 de TK1BI
No, the TAC proposal has not been approved yet. There are many prefixes being announced via BGP (over 400 last time I checked) so routing only 44.190/16 to the internet is probably not a good idea as you will be unable to reach a lot of 44 hosts.
Mailman has been on 44.76.7.7 for several years this is not new.
73, Chris
On 10 Sep 2021, at 09:00, Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:
Le 10/09/2021 à 09:23, Chris Smith a écrit :
https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr
Ahem... It seems I have some routing issues : mailman.ampr.org resolves to 44.76.7.7. But currently, only 44.190.0.0/16 is routed to public Internet. 44.76 is currently not routed outside of the island. Same for portal.ampr.org, which seems to have migrated from 44.190 to 44.1.
Has the TAC proposal about renumbering been approved, and should we apply it ASAP ? Or did I miss something ? :-)
73 de TK1BI
44Net mailing list 44Net@mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net
Le 10/09/2021 à 10:09, Chris Smith via 44Net a écrit :
No, the TAC proposal has not been approved yet. There are many prefixes being announced via BGP (over 400 last time I checked) so routing only 44.190/16 to the internet is probably not a good idea as you will be unable to reach a lot of 44 hosts.
Mailman has been on 44.76.7.7 for several years this is not new.
I never noticed any problem with mailman, because my email address is hosted on a public cloud, and only my provider's mail server sent SMTP messages to mailman. I never tried to access mailman in http before.
Our TKNet network is a "work in progress", and is mostly a "closed" network for now. We announce 44.190.11.0/24 network on Internet. And we route 44.190.0.0/16 to Internet (via our 44.190.11 gateway address). About the rest of the 44 net, we currently do not route it anywhere, because I don't know exactly where and how to route it (IP-IP mesh ? eBGP HamNet ? Via tunnel ? to Internet ?). It seems the right way would be to implement eBGP for HamNet, IP-IP for the rest of the world, and set a default route to public Internet. But I never took time to implement this.
I look forward to the decision of the TAC. We need to simplify and clarify things, HI :-)
Actually, any subnet NOT in the RIP broadcasts should be routed to the public internet. If you want to preserve your original 44 address, this should be done via amprgw (but it will be slower), otherwise NAT it via your ISP's public IP if you don't use a BGP announced 44 subnet.
Marius, YO2LOJ
On 10/09/2021 12:04, Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net wrote:
Le 10/09/2021 à 10:09, Chris Smith via 44Net a écrit :
No, the TAC proposal has not been approved yet. There are many prefixes being announced via BGP (over 400 last time I checked) so routing only 44.190/16 to the internet is probably not a good idea as you will be unable to reach a lot of 44 hosts.
Mailman has been on 44.76.7.7 for several years this is not new.
I never noticed any problem with mailman, because my email address is hosted on a public cloud, and only my provider's mail server sent SMTP messages to mailman. I never tried to access mailman in http before.
Our TKNet network is a "work in progress", and is mostly a "closed" network for now. We announce 44.190.11.0/24 network on Internet. And we route 44.190.0.0/16 to Internet (via our 44.190.11 gateway address). About the rest of the 44 net, we currently do not route it anywhere, because I don't know exactly where and how to route it (IP-IP mesh ? eBGP HamNet ? Via tunnel ? to Internet ?). It seems the right way would be to implement eBGP for HamNet, IP-IP for the rest of the world, and set a default route to public Internet. But I never took time to implement this.
I look forward to the decision of the TAC. We need to simplify and clarify things, HI :-)
44Net mailing list 44Net@mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net
Le 10/09/2021 à 11:11, Marius Petrescu via 44Net a écrit :
Actually, any subnet NOT in the RIP broadcasts should be routed to the public internet.
I installed RIP over IP-IP on our previous iteration, but it's not implemented on our current POP, mostly by lack of time and interest. RIP over IP-IP is IMHO a thing of the past, and I'm waiting for the future proposals from the TAC.
73 de TK1BI
Why going to another forum? Maybe ask Chris for another section into this server so that everything that is part of 44 net can be discussed in one place?
________________________________________ De : 44Net 44net-bounces+petem001=hotmail.com@mailman.ampr.org de la part de Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org Envoyé : 10 septembre 2021 01:53 À : AMPRNet working group Cc : Toussaint OTTAVI Objet : [44net] Creating / hosting a new sub-mailing-list 44net-fr ?
Hi,
I often talked with French 44net guys, and it appears there's no current forum or mailing-list for communications between us, without polluting the world-wide 44net list.
A long time ago, I planned to create a dedicated mailing-list 44net-fr on our mail server, but I never finished it, HI :-) The current project of a link between Corsica and France shows the need of such a tool, because private mails are becoming too bulky.
My primary idea was to create a group on groups.io.
As AMPR has now fundings and technical team, would it be possible to host such a 44net-fr mailing-list directly at ampr.org ?
73 de TK1BI _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net
nver mind! it is already there!
________________________________________ De : 44Net 44net-bounces+petem001=hotmail.com@mailman.ampr.org de la part de pete M via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org Envoyé : 10 septembre 2021 08:39 À : 44Net general discussion Cc : pete M Objet : Re: [44net] Creating / hosting a new sub-mailing-list 44net-fr ?
Why going to another forum? Maybe ask Chris for another section into this server so that everything that is part of 44 net can be discussed in one place?
________________________________________ De : 44Net 44net-bounces+petem001=hotmail.com@mailman.ampr.org de la part de Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org Envoyé : 10 septembre 2021 01:53 À : AMPRNet working group Cc : Toussaint OTTAVI Objet : [44net] Creating / hosting a new sub-mailing-list 44net-fr ?
Hi,
I often talked with French 44net guys, and it appears there's no current forum or mailing-list for communications between us, without polluting the world-wide 44net list.
A long time ago, I planned to create a dedicated mailing-list 44net-fr on our mail server, but I never finished it, HI :-) The current project of a link between Corsica and France shows the need of such a tool, because private mails are becoming too bulky.
My primary idea was to create a group on groups.io.
As AMPR has now fundings and technical team, would it be possible to host such a 44net-fr mailing-list directly at ampr.org ?
73 de TK1BI _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net
_________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net
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