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On Allocations, PoPs, Proposals, and something called RF
by Jeff Archambeault 04 Aug '21

04 Aug '21

Wow. I've been watching lots of message traffic that really only applies to what I would consider to be "edge cases"...BGP especially, when I'm here in the Adirondack State Park in upstate New York, Secretary of the local club (W2WCR), hollering "Hey, we should look into rebuilding the packet network north along the Hudson to Montreal and west to Buffalo along the St Laurence like it used to be." for a few years now and getting "Well, we have winlink, so it's ok." I have my allocation, and can't even use it because my local packet nodes are stuck using some archaic BS that can't route netrom needs either a DOS box with real serial ports and UARTS and a real TNC-2 with 6pack eprom (done, invested about $100 in a mfg-1270c and community-supported eprom...only to find out a year after buying it and waiting that it doesn't work) or an old 2.x Linux kernel to even have half a chance. I'm an extra now, but to be honest, I was really looking forward to playing with packet. The local packet folks have been great, tho similarly frustrated, either with having to attempt to upgrade the existing Eastnet/Flexnet history lesson on sites that aren't exactly accessable or even upgradable, or trying to convince clubs and county-maintained systems that it would be in their best interest to upgrade or replace equipment that used to exist but there is actually no real upgrade/migration path. So I have a node running as best as 24/7 as I can, with no real motivation to do so, no mail feed, wondering what the point actually is. And all I see is BGP BGP BGP BGP....BGP, and oh, BGP mentioned in this mailing list, wondering if there is some relation to CRT, as old as the tech is around here. I thought there was some RF involved, but all I see is BGP. If I wasn't an IT person, with a MikroTik Routerboard, I wouldn't have a clue. That, and the fact that I'm practically in a broadband desert, literally makes me sick and tired of any discussion of connecting anything anywhere that doesn't involve RF. Hm. Perhaps I need to say that again. I AM PERSONALLY SICK AND TIRED OF CONVERSATIONS DEALING WITH PACKET RADIO/AX.25 THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE RF. YOU CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE!!!!!! FSCK GBP. Some of us can only wish we weren't stuck with hoping someone will connect with our PC3+s or hand-configured direwolf linux/uronode systems who are interested in something called "packet radio". When is someone going to start dealing with the fact that there are AMATEUR __RADIO__ OPERATORS, WITH _AMATEUR RADIO LICENSES_ that may actually be interested in sending digital, AX.25 via IP to other anateur radio operators via RF? I can't possibly be the only one. Geez. Sorry. Just frustrated for a little too long, seeing lots of traffic I'd consider "Much todo about nothing" and lots of money behind it. WTF, over. 73 de Jeff AJ2A Jeff Archambeault Proprietor, Bark Eater Studios Technology Frustration Resolution Solutions jeff(a)barkeaterstudios.com (518) 696-5675 (home) (518) 595-9815 (cell)

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Re: [44net] On Allocations, PoPs, and Proposals
by Jim Ancona 03 Aug '21

03 Aug '21

On Mon, 2 Aug 2021 13:29:33 -0700, Rosy Wolfe <rosy(a)ardc.net> wrote: > With this in mind, what problems with the AMPRnet do you think we should > be trying to solve first? I've been subscribed to the list for a while, but I'm not currently an AMPRnet user. (I have been a ham for over 40 years, and I did run TCP/IP over AX.25 back in the nineties.) My background is in software development, not networking, so while I know about building high-volume web services, and I'd guess I know quite a bit more about networking than the average ham, much of the networking discussion here is well over my head. After trying to follow the discussion, I welcome the board and Rosy's attempt to reset things a bit, but I wonder if instead of asking "What problems with the AMPRnet do you think we should be trying to solve first?," we should first ask and try to answer "What is AMPRnet for?" The TAC document discusses reserving address space for non-Internet-connected "amateur radio-based networks," along with other uses. But as I understand it, some people here don't think that AMPRnet addresses should be reserved for things that will never be part of the Internet. I'd like to see a clear definition of what hams are using AMPRnet addresses for now and what they would like to be able to do in the future. In software development we talk about "use cases." According to Wikipedia: "A use case is a list of actions or event steps typically defining the interactions between a role (known in the Unified Modeling Language (UML) as an actor) and a system to achieve a goal."[1] An actor might be an individual ham, a network administrator, or someone else. I wonder if trying to describe how AMPRnet is being used today, what is easy and what is too difficult and what we would like to enable in the future would help to provide a basis for discussion. If there were consensus on which use cases are most valuable, which are too hard to accomplish today and similar questions, then we would have a better basis to evaluate proposals with respect to how well they solve the important problems, how difficult or disruptive they are to implement and so forth. Jim N1ADJ 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_case

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fyi: was unsubscribed
by Thomas Osterried 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

Hello, just fyi: I was unsubscribed from the list since 2921-95-26 (where I received a last posting), without notice. Over the past weeks I thought, it's so quiet - nice, everyone enjoys vacation ;) Anyone else had this issue? vy 73, - Thomas dl9sau

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New email address
by G1FEF 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

Hello, Apologies for the extra noise on the list (re. Contact requests). I get a few bounce messages each month when the portal reminders go out - these are just folk that the portal can't reach and are at risk of losing their account. Secondly, please note my new ARDC email address: chris(a)ardc.net Please use this for any ARDC/AMPRNet comms specifically for me, personally. If you have any none personal comms, then you can use the following emails: abuse(a)ardc.net - Please report here any suspicious activity: suspected unauthorised BGP announcements, spam, compromised hosts, etc. We also support the following RFC2142 emails: hostmaster(a)ardc.net webmaster(a)ardc.net postmaster(a)ardc.net Currently the above four emails are forwarded to me, but it’s probably better to use these emails rather than emailing me direct in the first instance, e.g. in case I’m on holiday, we may redirect them to someone else. Thanks, Chris

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Contact request
by G1FEF 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

Hello, If KA1VRF is seeing this, or anyone knows how to contact them, please could they contact me privately: chris(a)ardc.net Thanks, Chris - G1FEF

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Contact request
by G1FEF 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

Hello, If PA3EDN is seeing this, or anyone knows how to contact them, please could they contact me privately: chris(a)ardc.net Thanks, Chris - G1FEF

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Contact request
by G1FEF 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

Hello, If K9WLF is seeing this, or anyone knows how to contact them, please could they contact me privately: chris(a)ardc.net Thanks, Chris - G1FEF

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Contact request
by G1FEF 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

Hello, If K4TQL is seeing this, or anyone knows how to contact them, please could they contact me privately: chris(a)ardc.net Thanks, Chris - G1FEF

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Contact request
by G1FEF 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

Hello, If VE6SLP is seeing this, or if anyone knows how to contact them, please can they email me privately: chris(a)ardc.net <mailto:chris@ardc.net> Thanks, Chris - G1FEF

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Contact request
by G1FEF 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

Hello, If WA4OKJ is seeing this, or if anyone knows how to contact WA4OKJ, please can they get in touch privately: chris(a)ardc.net <mailto:chris@ardc.net> Thanks, Chris - G1FEF

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