W8CMN is the controller of that space. I am the trustee for W8CMN. We did not pay anything for said space. And to answer your question from your email earlier the only person that encouraged me todo anything with your request was you yourself and your tone/actions on the list. So not sure what other ideas you have cooked up in your head but it seems you have an issue being told no in a few ways. -- Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WRPA678

Think I am being very “Collegial” considering what is being thrown out here by somebody who has no bearing on our network or what we have built and continue to be building. It’s also funny he never asked for XFER from any of our other reverse delegations inside 44.103/16 which we have and have had for decades now. It’s only after we have been working with Chris for almost two years now to migrate from our different 44.103/16 allocations into a single 44.15/16 allocation that any of this noise from this person even started. So yea he is kinda sus. BTW - Can you trim your email signature. It’s 40 times more lines of text than any of your email responses to this list. Bunch of junk clogging up screens. -- Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WRPA678

The problem is, other told me to be quiet (I hope my emails are not archived by my provider), now people control networks other than ARDC. - Lynwood On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:03:25 PM EDT, lleachii--- via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: ARDC refused to tell us IPIP people anything until whoa, AMAZON control space. You say 2 years, that's SUSpect to me. You knew before us. Wow. Truth revealed (data-wise). - Lynwood  It’s only after we have been working with Chris for almost two years now to migrate from our different 44.103/16 allocations into a single 44.15/16 allocation that any of this noise from this person even started.  So yea he is kinda sus. On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:58:03 AM EDT, Fredric Moses via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: Think I am being very “Collegial” considering what is being thrown out here by somebody who has no bearing on our network or what we have built and continue to be building.  It’s also funny he never asked for XFER from any of our other reverse delegations inside 44.103/16 which we have and have had for decades now.  It’s only after we have been working with Chris for almost two years now to migrate from our different 44.103/16 allocations into a single 44.15/16 allocation that any of this noise from this person even started.  So yea he is kinda sus. BTW - Can you trim your email signature. It’s 40 times more lines of text than any of your email responses to this list.  Bunch of junk clogging up screens. --Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WRPA678 On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:50, Charles J. Hargrove via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: Not too collegial, eh? On 4/26/2024 11:44 AM, Fredric Moses via 44net wrote: So not sure what other ideas you have cooked up in your head but it seems you have an issue being told no in a few ways. _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org

Ruben, You lost me. ---user@dns-mdc:~$ ls /var/lib/bind/144.44.rev -l-rw-r--r-- 1 bind bind 28083 Apr 26 11:10 /var/lib/bind/144.44.rev--- ? Maybe I've mistaken, but I have no issues with your zone that I previously referenced. 73, - LynwoodKB3VWG On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:09:33 PM EDT, Ruben ON3RVH via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: There are several /16's in the ARDC address space (44net). Several countries have a /16, some US regions have /16's And some of those are directly announced on the internet and have been for years. Like we, Belgium, have had 44.144.0.0/16 for over a decade, from way before my time and from the days of late Brian Kantor. Belgium had now migrated to 44.11.0.0/16 at the request of Chris and ARDC to facilitate making 44.128/10 an intranet. Several other countries who were in 44.128/10 have done the same migration to a new address space under 44/9.   Mind you, all of us have had that address space a long time during Brians control of the address space and we all announce it ourselves with our own ASNs.     73   Ruben ON3RVH   From: lleachii--- via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 6:03 PM To: Charles J. Hargrove <n2nov(a)n2nov.net>et>; Fredric Moses <fred(a)moses.bz> Cc: AMPRNet working group <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> Subject: [44net] Re: 501(c)3 Questions   ARDC refused to tell us IPIP people anything until whoa, AMAZON control space.     You say 2 years, that's SUSpect to me.   You knew before us. Wow. Truth revealed (data-wise).       - Lynwood        It’s only after we have been working with Chris for almost two years now to migrate from our different 44.103/16 allocations into a single 44.15/16 allocation that any of this noise from this person even started.  So yea he is kinda sus.       On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:58:03 AM EDT, Fredric Moses via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:     Think I am being very “Collegial” considering what is being thrown out here by somebody who has no bearing on our network or what we have built and continue to be building.  It’s also funny he never asked for XFER from any of our other reverse delegations inside 44.103/16 which we have and have had for decades now.  It’s only after we have been working with Chris for almost two years now to migrate from our different 44.103/16 allocations into a single 44.15/16 allocation that any of this noise from this person even started.  So yea he is kinda sus.   BTW - Can you trim your email signature. It’s 40 times more lines of text than any of your email responses to this list.  Bunch of junk clogging up screens.   -- Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WRPA678 On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:50, Charles J. Hargrove via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:   Not too collegial, eh? On 4/26/2024 11:44 AM, Fredric Moses via 44net wrote: So not sure what other ideas you have cooked up in your head but it seems you have an issue being told no in a few ways. _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org

Ruben, ---user@dns-mdc:~$ ls /var/lib/bind/11.44.rev -l-rw-r--r-- 1 bind bind 417 Apr 26 05:50 /var/lib/bind/11.44.rev--- ??? On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:20:26 PM EDT, lleachii--- via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: Also, --- user@dns-mdc:~$ ls /var/lib/bind/128.44.rev -l-rw-r--r-- 1 bind bind 227 Apr 26 08:30 /var/lib/bind/128.44.rev--- Maybe you misunderstand the concern I noted previously. - LynwoodKB3VWG On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:17:39 PM EDT, lleachii(a)aol.com <lleachii(a)aol.com> wrote: Ruben, You lost me. ---user@dns-mdc:~$ ls /var/lib/bind/144.44.rev -l-rw-r--r-- 1 bind bind 28083 Apr 26 11:10 /var/lib/bind/144.44.rev--- ? Maybe I've mistaken, but I have no issues with your zone that I previously referenced. 73, - LynwoodKB3VWG On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:09:33 PM EDT, Ruben ON3RVH via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: There are several /16's in the ARDC address space (44net). Several countries have a /16, some US regions have /16's And some of those are directly announced on the internet and have been for years. Like we, Belgium, have had 44.144.0.0/16 for over a decade, from way before my time and from the days of late Brian Kantor. Belgium had now migrated to 44.11.0.0/16 at the request of Chris and ARDC to facilitate making 44.128/10 an intranet. Several other countries who were in 44.128/10 have done the same migration to a new address space under 44/9.   Mind you, all of us have had that address space a long time during Brians control of the address space and we all announce it ourselves with our own ASNs.     73   Ruben ON3RVH   From: lleachii--- via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 6:03 PM To: Charles J. Hargrove <n2nov(a)n2nov.net>et>; Fredric Moses <fred(a)moses.bz> Cc: AMPRNet working group <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> Subject: [44net] Re: 501(c)3 Questions   ARDC refused to tell us IPIP people anything until whoa, AMAZON control space.     You say 2 years, that's SUSpect to me.   You knew before us. Wow. Truth revealed (data-wise).       - Lynwood        It’s only after we have been working with Chris for almost two years now to migrate from our different 44.103/16 allocations into a single 44.15/16 allocation that any of this noise from this person even started.  So yea he is kinda sus.       On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:58:03 AM EDT, Fredric Moses via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:     Think I am being very “Collegial” considering what is being thrown out here by somebody who has no bearing on our network or what we have built and continue to be building.  It’s also funny he never asked for XFER from any of our other reverse delegations inside 44.103/16 which we have and have had for decades now.  It’s only after we have been working with Chris for almost two years now to migrate from our different 44.103/16 allocations into a single 44.15/16 allocation that any of this noise from this person even started.  So yea he is kinda sus.   BTW - Can you trim your email signature. It’s 40 times more lines of text than any of your email responses to this list.  Bunch of junk clogging up screens.   -- Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WRPA678 On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:50, Charles J. Hargrove via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:   Not too collegial, eh? On 4/26/2024 11:44 AM, Fredric Moses via 44net wrote: So not sure what other ideas you have cooked up in your head but it seems you have an issue being told no in a few ways. _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org

Ruben, I humbly you ask 1 recursive server in the US have your copy, or someone on AMPRNet if you don't trust dns-mdc for your 3 /16's. I'm a straight-talking person born/raised in Washington, DC, and as you see, I take little flack. We've never had issues over the years we've know each other, so I'm glad I had the opportunity to ask. The SRC IP is 44.60.44.3. I am willing to accept a no - and donate your national societies to show that all is well (I hope there's no embargoes - this is what a 501(c)3 is good for, I'll use them). Thanks and 73, LynwoodKB3VWG On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:23:55 PM EDT, Ruben ON3RVH via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: Yes, we currently do not do our own reverses and currently use the Portal's DNS system. It is on our todo to host the reverse ourselves.   73   Ruben ON3RVH   From: lleachii(a)aol.com <lleachii(a)aol.com> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 6:22 PM To: Charles J. Hargrove <n2nov(a)n2nov.net>et>; Fredric Moses <fred(a)moses.bz>bz>; Ruben ON3RVH <on3rvh(a)on3rvh.be> Cc: AMPRNet working group <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> Subject: Re: [44net] Re: 501(c)3 Questions   Ruben,   --- user@dns-mdc:~$ ls /var/lib/bind/11.44.rev -l -rw-r--r-- 1 bind bind 417 Apr 26 05:50 /var/lib/bind/11.44.rev ---     ???     On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:20:26 PM EDT, lleachii--- via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:     Also,   --- user@dns-mdc:~$ ls /var/lib/bind/128.44.rev -l -rw-r--r-- 1 bind bind 227 Apr 26 08:30 /var/lib/bind/128.44.rev ---       Maybe you misunderstand the concern I noted previously.       - Lynwood KB3VWG     On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:17:39 PM EDT,lleachii(a)aol.com <lleachii(a)aol.com> wrote:     Ruben,       You lost me.   --- user@dns-mdc:~$ ls /var/lib/bind/144.44.rev -l -rw-r--r-- 1 bind bind 28083 Apr 26 11:10 /var/lib/bind/144.44.rev ---   ?     Maybe I've mistaken, but I have no issues with your zone that I previously referenced.         73,     - Lynwood KB3VWG   On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:09:33 PM EDT, Ruben ON3RVH via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:     There are several /16's in the ARDC address space (44net). Several countries have a /16, some US regions have /16's And some of those are directly announced on the internet and have been for years. Like we, Belgium, have had 44.144.0.0/16 for over a decade, from way before my time and from the days of late Brian Kantor. Belgium had now migrated to 44.11.0.0/16 at the request of Chris and ARDC to facilitate making 44.128/10 an intranet. Several other countries who were in 44.128/10 have done the same migration to a new address space under 44/9.   Mind you, all of us have had that address space a long time during Brians control of the address space and we all announce it ourselves with our own ASNs.     73   Ruben ON3RVH   From: lleachii--- via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 6:03 PM To: Charles J. Hargrove <n2nov(a)n2nov.net>et>; Fredric Moses <fred(a)moses.bz> Cc: AMPRNet working group <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> Subject: [44net] Re: 501(c)3 Questions   ARDC refused to tell us IPIP people anything until whoa, AMAZON control space.     You say 2 years, that's SUSpect to me.   You knew before us. Wow. Truth revealed (data-wise).       - Lynwood        It’s only after we have been working with Chris for almost two years now to migrate from our different 44.103/16 allocations into a single 44.15/16 allocation that any of this noise from this person even started.  So yea he is kinda sus.       On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:58:03 AM EDT, Fredric Moses via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:     Think I am being very “Collegial” considering what is being thrown out here by somebody who has no bearing on our network or what we have built and continue to be building.  It’s also funny he never asked for XFER from any of our other reverse delegations inside 44.103/16 which we have and have had for decades now.  It’s only after we have been working with Chris for almost two years now to migrate from our different 44.103/16 allocations into a single 44.15/16 allocation that any of this noise from this person even started.  So yea he is kinda sus.   BTW - Can you trim your email signature. It’s 40 times more lines of text than any of your email responses to this list.  Bunch of junk clogging up screens.   -- Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WRPA678   On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:50, Charles J. Hargrove via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:   Not too collegial, eh? On 4/26/2024 11:44 AM, Fredric Moses via 44net wrote: So not sure what other ideas you have cooked up in your head but it seems you have an issue being told no in a few ways. _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org

Frederic, Here's the issue: - your space, unlike ours- has a market value- FYI I also have a /24, but you have x * 256 that- You control your reverse space and not ARDC- Yet I'm subordinate to them and you control your space- You claim you pay nothing Yet...Amazon did? I find it laughable - I NEVER ASKED or encouraged you to do anything. You need to stop imagining that in your head. Stop thinking you're a target. I'm don't have a target. 73, LynwoodKB3VWG On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:45:26 AM EDT, Fredric Moses via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: W8CMN is the controller of that space.  I am the trustee for W8CMN.   We did not pay anything for said space.  And to answer your question from your email earlier the only person that encouraged me todo anything with your request was you yourself and your tone/actions on the list.  So not sure what other ideas you have cooked up in your head but it seems you have an issue being told no in a few ways.   --Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WRPA678 On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:38, lleachii--- via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: Also, If it's not clear, I want to understand: - How much is and who is the the identity of who controls 15.44.in-addr.arpa and how much did they PAY to control that space - compared to the market value of the bottom of the 44/8 space  you sold (or placed into the RIR pools) to Amazon to control for a monetary value (etc.)? - KB3VWG _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org

Fredric, It's impossible you controlled you reverse space as - it was 44.in-addr.arpa - I guess you forgot for 10 years +...never mind, I get it's you. Maybe your phrase was a mistake - but given people tried to belittle and stigmatize me as not speaking EN, I want to review to be sure there's no collegiate words throw in there. Given the circumstance/inquiry I made clear (and I assume you have nothing to do with "ARDC") and I again NEVER ASKED YOU anything (I'm being very sure not to have asked you anything yet exactly because of these imaginings  and outburst towards me). I'll review the rest of your email - you've made "sus" statements before (e.g. telling the reflector I asked you already for AXFR permissions - that is false). - KB3VWG On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:06:12 PM EDT, Fredric Moses via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: We have controlled our reverse space for decades now inside of 44.103.0.0/16 that is nothing new to us.  We have never used *.ampr.org for any DNS related items for any of our allocations.. Allocations which are still listed in the portal mind you as we are in the middle of migrating from the different 44.103/16 allocations into our new single 44.15/16, this migration mind you was done at the request of ARDC.  You know how many hosts and devices we have had to change over the past month now.  I know we are not the only BGP speaking allocation holder that was asked to re-ip and move down the “band” so to speak.    So while 44.15/16 is “new” how we use it is no different then our 44.103/16 allocations.  But it was Brian(SK) who did our reverse delegations to our servers.  Last email I have on some changes from Brian was on July,29th - 2014.  So this isn’t “New” process.. Maybe it’s not something that was done for IPIP only allocations but we have always been BGP based as was listed in the portal.  And you keep referring to 44.15/16 so yes you are targeting our network. --Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WRPA678 On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:57, lleachii(a)aol.com wrote: Frederic, Here's the issue: - your space, unlike ours- has a market value- FYI I also have a /24, but you have x * 256 that- You control your reverse space and not ARDC- Yet I'm subordinate to them and you control your space- You claim you pay nothing Yet...Amazon did? I find it laughable - I NEVER ASKED or encouraged you to do anything. You need to stop imagining that in your head. Stop thinking you're a target. I'm don't have a target. 73, _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org

Guys, this is all getting a bit out of hand. Please can I ask everyone to stop adding to this thread and the DNS thread. If you have something useful/constructive/technical to post by all means start a new thread on a different topic, but this discussion is now closed. Thank you Chris - G1FEF — ARDC Administrator Web: https://www.ardc.net

Lynwood, Frederic is not an employee of ARDC. The 44Net mailing list is not the appropriate place to request information regarding ARDC. You may email contact(a)ardc.net <mailto:contact@ardc.net> to do that. Please, no more emails in this thread or the DNS thread or I will be forced to start moderating people which I would prefer not to do. Thank you Chris - G1FEF — ARDC Administrator Web: https://www.ardc.net

Sir, Your approach is hostile, rude not to mention arrogant. You've got the air of I'm going to "call your manager." . This is not appropriate in this forum. Brian Kantor is rolling in his grave with the audacity of some of the messages I see in this forum. With that said, you can find the information you're looking for with a simple search. Here is the URL for all the information that you're looking for: https://www.ardc.net/about/legal Disgusted, John L. Ricketts, Ph.D. / KI5D Quintex Alliance Consulting (325) 304-1600 john(a)quintex.com On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:27, lleachii--- via 44net &lt;44net(a)mailman.ampr.org&gt; wrote:  I never said frederic was an employee. I emailed your superiors about this harassment, I will write a separate email about the other thread you mentioned. Thanks, Lynwood On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 01:17:39 PM EDT, Chris via 44net &lt;44net(a)mailman.ampr.org&gt; wrote: Lynwood, Frederic is not an employee of ARDC. The 44Net mailing list is not the appropriate place to request information regarding ARDC. You may email contact@ardc.net<mailto:contact@ardc.net> to do that. Please, no more emails in this thread or the DNS thread or I will be forced to start moderating people which I would prefer not to do. Thank you Chris - G1FEF — ARDC Administrator Web: https://www.ardc.net On 26 Apr 2024, at 18:05, lleachii(a)aol.com wrote: Chris, https://www.ardc.net/about/who-we-are/ You're a contractor from the UK, maybe you don't understand US law. I made a request that cannot be silenced. I ASKED FOR PUBLIC FILE OR HOW TO GET IT of a 501(c)3. Should I make travel arraignments to go tot he address on record for the 501(c)3? Sorry Frederic and you chimed in again, but you are grown men - and since you're and employee, please provide information on a 501(c)3 you keep being evasive on. Thanks, KB3VWG On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:59:41 PM EDT, Chris via 44net &lt;44net(a)mailman.ampr.org&gt; wrote: Guys, this is all getting a bit out of hand. Please can I ask everyone to stop adding to this thread and the DNS thread. If you have something useful/constructive/technical to post by all means start a new thread on a different topic, but this discussion is now closed. Thank you Chris - G1FEF — ARDC Administrator Web: https://www.ardc.net On 26 Apr 2024, at 17:36, Rob PE1CHL via 44net &lt;44net(a)mailman.ampr.org&gt; wrote: What still isn't clear to me is (not considering the way the discussion is going here) what your reason is for "we will not be allowing transfers of zone files to any server not under our control. You are welcome to make PTR queries like anybody else but no special zone transfers will be allowed". That sounds more like a corporate policy than some nice cooperation between radio amateurs. And not only is it just "security by obscurity" (i.e. not good), it also serves no purpose at all to prohibit zone transfers on reverse zones as anyone can re-assemble them from PTR queries anyway. Rob On 2024-04-26 18:05, Fredric Moses via 44net wrote: We have controlled our reverse space for decades now inside of 44.103.0.0/16 that is nothing new to us. We have never used *.ampr.org <http://ampr.org> for any DNS related items for any of our allocations.. Allocations which are still listed in the portal mind you as we are in the middle of migrating from the different 44.103/16 allocations into our new single 44.15/16, this migration mind you was done at the request of ARDC. You know how many hosts and devices we have had to change over the past month now. I know we are not the only BGP speaking allocation holder that was asked to re-ip and move down the “band” so to speak. So while 44.15/16 is “new” how we use it is no different then our 44.103/16 allocations. But it was Brian(SK) who did our reverse delegations to our servers. Last email I have on some changes from Brian was on July,29th - 2014. So this isn’t “New” process.. Maybe it’s not something that was done for IPIP only allocations but we have always been BGP based as was listed in the portal. And you keep referring to 44.15/16 so yes you are targeting our network. -- Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WRPA678 _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net@mailman.ampr.org<mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org> To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave@mailman.ampr.org<mailto:44net-leave@mailman.ampr.org> _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net@mailman.ampr.org<mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org> To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave@mailman.ampr.org<mailto:44net-leave@mailman.ampr.org> _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave(a)mailman.ampr.org

hello, i second that: i'm here on that is list to learn about the technical details, problems and solutions, and i have learnt a lot from just following the technical discussions. thank you to all who make this happen, it's an enriching experience. 73 de stefan ei4ku!