Shouldn't a volunteer for an amateur radio related organization actually have an amateur radio license _before_ volunteering? Otherwise the group gets diluted by those who don't know what being an amateur radio license holder and active participant is all about.
"An amateur radio license OR a technical degree OR experience in digital communications is required to serve in any volunteer role."
On 9/16/2025 3:23 PM, Rebecca Key via groups.io wrote:
Hey Everyone, *We’re now accepting applications for our 2026 volunteer cohort, which includes some new roles. Check out our latest blog post for more details: https://www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/ <https:// www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/>.* *As always, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out!* *73,* *Rebecca KO4KVG*
Hi Charles,
Good question. Certainly, amateur radio activity requires a license. More broadly, it’s also helpful to know that a volunteer is familiar with the ham community, and a license definitely signals that.
Some of our volunteer opportunities are not strictly ham-related, however, particularly in grant-making efforts, where we might benefit from contributions that could come from someone in an aligned or adjacent community. So yes, a ham license is helpful, and for some things, a ham license is going to be needed, but no, not every volunteer role needs to call for a license up front.
I know we’ve visited a similar question in the past, and some have a fairly exclusive view of ARDC’s mission, which no doubt reflects their own perfectly legitimate reasons for being involved. We certainly all find our way here by different paths. If the foundation's stated goals include bringing people in toward amateur radio (“digital communications” being at least one avenue), and if a volunteer interested in contributing thus finds their way toward being a part of the community, then it winds up being to everyone's benefit to welcome their curiosity and participation. In my view at least, it’s a great way to let someone see first-hand what being a ham is all about.
Thanks and 73
-- John Burwell - KI5QKX 44Net Program Manager Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ardc.net
On Sep 16, 2025, at 14:35, Charles J. Hargrove via 44net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:
Shouldn't a volunteer for an amateur radio related organization actually have an amateur radio license _before_ volunteering? Otherwise the group gets diluted by those who don't know what being an amateur radio license holder and active participant is all about.
"An amateur radio license OR a technical degree OR experience in digital communications is required to serve in any volunteer role."
On 9/16/2025 3:23 PM, Rebecca Key via groups.io wrote:
Hey Everyone, *We’re now accepting applications for our 2026 volunteer cohort, which includes some new roles. Check out our latest blog post for more details: https://www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/ <https:// www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/>.* *As always, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out!* *73,* *Rebecca KO4KVG*
-- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.
NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 441.100/136.5 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org
NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32
"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan
"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus
"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.)
"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan
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I disagree. This is the issue with a major amateur organization who has repeatedly hired incompetent leaders who act in their interests, not the organization. Limited searches result in limited results.
Lin Holcomb
Office: +1 404 806 5412 Mobile: +1 404 933 1595 Fax: +1 404 348 4250
On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 4:12 PM John Burwell via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Hi Charles,
Good question. Certainly, amateur radio activity requires a license. More broadly, it’s also helpful to know that a volunteer is familiar with the ham community, and a license definitely signals that.
Some of our volunteer opportunities are not strictly ham-related, however, particularly in grant-making efforts, where we might benefit from contributions that could come from someone in an aligned or adjacent community. So yes, a ham license is helpful, and for some things, a ham license is going to be needed, but no, not every volunteer role needs to call for a license up front.
I know we’ve visited a similar question in the past, and some have a fairly exclusive view of ARDC’s mission, which no doubt reflects their own perfectly legitimate reasons for being involved. We certainly all find our way here by different paths. If the foundation's stated goals include bringing people in toward amateur radio (“digital communications” being at least one avenue), and if a volunteer interested in contributing thus finds their way toward being a part of the community, then it winds up being to everyone's benefit to welcome their curiosity and participation. In my view at least, it’s a great way to let someone see first-hand what being a ham is all about.
Thanks and 73
-- John Burwell - KI5QKX 44Net Program Manager Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ardc.net
On Sep 16, 2025, at 14:35, Charles J. Hargrove via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Shouldn't a volunteer for an amateur radio related organization actually have an amateur radio license _before_ volunteering? Otherwise the group gets diluted by those who don't know what being an amateur radio license holder and active participant is all about.
"An amateur radio license OR a technical degree OR experience in digital communications is required to serve in any volunteer role."
On 9/16/2025 3:23 PM, Rebecca Key via groups.io wrote:
Hey Everyone, *We’re now accepting applications for our 2026 volunteer cohort, which includes some new roles. Check out our latest blog post for more details: https://www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/ https:// www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/.* *As always, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out!* *73,* *Rebecca KO4KVG*
-- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.
NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 441.100/136.5 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org
NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32
"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan
"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus
"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.)
"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan
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Constructive criticism is valuable, but dismissing others' contributions as incompetence doesn’t move us forward. If you believe you have deeper knowledge, a better leadership style, or ideas to improve our processes, I’d encourage you to put your own name forward for consideration.
Ian.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 10:35 AM Lin Holcomb via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
I disagree. This is the issue with a major amateur organization who has repeatedly hired incompetent leaders who act in their interests, not the organization. Limited searches result in limited results.
Lin Holcomb
Office: +1 404 806 5412 Mobile: +1 404 933 1595 Fax: +1 404 348 4250
On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 4:12 PM John Burwell via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Hi Charles,
Good question. Certainly, amateur radio activity requires a license. More broadly, it’s also helpful to know that a volunteer is familiar with the ham community, and a license definitely signals that.
Some of our volunteer opportunities are not strictly ham-related, however, particularly in grant-making efforts, where we might benefit from contributions that could come from someone in an aligned or adjacent community. So yes, a ham license is helpful, and for some things, a ham license is going to be needed, but no, not every volunteer role needs to call for a license up front.
I know we’ve visited a similar question in the past, and some have a fairly exclusive view of ARDC’s mission, which no doubt reflects their own perfectly legitimate reasons for being involved. We certainly all find our way here by different paths. If the foundation's stated goals include bringing people in toward amateur radio (“digital communications” being at least one avenue), and if a volunteer interested in contributing thus finds their way toward being a part of the community, then it winds up being to everyone's benefit to welcome their curiosity and participation. In my view at least, it’s a great way to let someone see first-hand what being a ham is all about.
Thanks and 73
-- John Burwell - KI5QKX 44Net Program Manager Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ardc.net
On Sep 16, 2025, at 14:35, Charles J. Hargrove via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Shouldn't a volunteer for an amateur radio related organization actually have an amateur radio license _before_ volunteering? Otherwise the group gets diluted by those who don't know what being an amateur radio license holder and active participant is all about.
"An amateur radio license OR a technical degree OR experience in digital communications is required to serve in any volunteer role."
On 9/16/2025 3:23 PM, Rebecca Key via groups.io wrote:
Hey Everyone, *We’re now accepting applications for our 2026 volunteer cohort, which includes some new roles. Check out our latest blog post for more details: https://www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/ https:// www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/.* *As always, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out!* *73,* *Rebecca KO4KVG*
-- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.
NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 441.100/136.5 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org
NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32
"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan
"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus
"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.)
"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan
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I can respond to group? I am blocked with N2nov
Hi Charles
I cannot find a way to post this on ARDC
Are they blocking users?
Hello George Kirn had contact with this data.
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: *g* gokirn@gmail.com Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [44net] Re: [ardc] ARDC is Recruiting Volunteers for our 2026 Committees To: Steve Stroh steve.stroh@gmail.com CC: Charles J. Hargrove n2nov@n2nov.net, main@ardc.groups.io, AMPRNet working group 44net@mailman.ampr.org
Steve You did not say if they must be ?
I applied and was denied.(John was a great man). So I am biased. In all my effort I was not accepting where grants went to when I was denied. Maybe we first need to see where grants are going to non experimental radio operators ( being called hams or amateurs are not in the intent of cooperating) I actually found it sad to see where. We need past ampr people to be on the board and to discuss before we bring problems onto the public. (Nov?) I will not walk away from Ampr and don’t expect to be banned. But we all know NOV has. It’s not a hobby and never has been after 911 when our abilities where taken away with also all our investments and hardware and friendships and yes credit and credibility and credentials. Long live experimental radio. We give !
Hello George Kirn had contact with this data.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 9:44 AM Steve Stroh via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
ARDC’s activities and especially grants (such as scholarships) aren’t solely related to Amateur Radio.
Steve Stroh (he / him / his) steve.stroh@gmail.com
For Amateur Radio / Zero Retries / Conference: *Steve Stroh N8GNJ* Editor *Zero Retries Newsletter* steve@zeroretries.net //steve@zeroretries.net https://www.zeroretries.org *Radios are Computers - With Antennas!*
On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 12:52 Charles J. Hargrove via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Shouldn't a volunteer for an amateur radio related organization actually have an amateur radio license _before_ volunteering? Otherwise the group gets diluted by those who don't know what being an amateur radio license holder and active participant is all about.
"An amateur radio license OR a technical degree OR experience in digital communications is required to serve in any volunteer role."
On 9/16/2025 3:23 PM, Rebecca Key via groups.io wrote:
Hey Everyone, *We’re now accepting applications for our 2026 volunteer cohort, which includes some new roles. Check out our latest blog post for more details: https://www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/ https:// www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/.* *As always, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach
out!*
*73,* *Rebecca KO4KVG*
ARDC’s activities and especially grants (such as scholarships) aren’t solely related to Amateur Radio.
Steve Stroh (he / him / his) steve.stroh@gmail.com
For Amateur Radio / Zero Retries / Conference: *Steve Stroh N8GNJ* Editor *Zero Retries Newsletter* steve@zeroretries.net //steve@zeroretries.net https://www.zeroretries.org *Radios are Computers - With Antennas!*
On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 12:52 Charles J. Hargrove via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Shouldn't a volunteer for an amateur radio related organization actually have an amateur radio license _before_ volunteering? Otherwise the group gets diluted by those who don't know what being an amateur radio license holder and active participant is all about.
"An amateur radio license OR a technical degree OR experience in digital communications is required to serve in any volunteer role."
On 9/16/2025 3:23 PM, Rebecca Key via groups.io wrote:
Hey Everyone, *We’re now accepting applications for our 2026 volunteer cohort, which includes some new roles. Check out our latest blog post for more details: https://www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/ https:// www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/.* *As always, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach
out!*
*73,* *Rebecca KO4KVG*
-- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.
NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 441.100/136.5 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org
NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32
"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan
"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus
"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.)
"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan
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Steve You did not say if they must be ?
I applied and was denied.(John was a great man). So I am biased. In all my effort I was not accepting where grants went to when I was denied. Maybe we first need to see where grants are going to non experimental radio operators ( being called hams or amateurs are not in the intent of cooperating) I actually found it sad to see where. We need past ampr people to be on the board and to discuss before we bring problems onto the public. (Nov?) I will not walk away from Ampr and don’t expect to be banned. But we all know NOV has. It’s not a hobby and never has been after 911 when our abilities where taken away with also all our investments and hardware and friendships and yes credit and credibility and credentials. Long live experimental radio. We give !
Hello George Kirn had contact with this data.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 9:44 AM Steve Stroh via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
ARDC’s activities and especially grants (such as scholarships) aren’t solely related to Amateur Radio.
Steve Stroh (he / him / his) steve.stroh@gmail.com
For Amateur Radio / Zero Retries / Conference: *Steve Stroh N8GNJ* Editor *Zero Retries Newsletter* steve@zeroretries.net //steve@zeroretries.net https://www.zeroretries.org *Radios are Computers - With Antennas!*
On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 12:52 Charles J. Hargrove via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Shouldn't a volunteer for an amateur radio related organization actually have an amateur radio license _before_ volunteering? Otherwise the group gets diluted by those who don't know what being an amateur radio license holder and active participant is all about.
"An amateur radio license OR a technical degree OR experience in digital communications is required to serve in any volunteer role."
On 9/16/2025 3:23 PM, Rebecca Key via groups.io wrote:
Hey Everyone, *We’re now accepting applications for our 2026 volunteer cohort, which includes some new roles. Check out our latest blog post for more details: https://www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/ https:// www.ardc.net/join-ardcs-2026-volunteer-team/.* *As always, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach
out!*
*73,* *Rebecca KO4KVG*
-- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.
NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 441.100/136.5 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org
NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32
"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan
"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus
"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.)
"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan
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On 9/17/25 11:46, John Burwell via groups.io wrote:
I’m glad to see people are interested in getting involved and participating in the organization and engaging with its leadership. Inviting contributions is very much the purpose of this thread.
The people who contribute their time and effort are doing their best to serve the community. I work with people every day who want nothing but for people to succeed in exploring and learning and building with technologies for the benefit of their communities.
The challenge sometimes when there’s a large group of people trying to move many things forward is that not everyone agrees on what everyone else should be doing. That’s okay though, because not every corner of the world has the same needs and interests.
But the way things work is, we all try to do our best to be considerate and conscientious. We do need to agree at least on that. Fortunately, I think we do. That’s how we and those who’ve come before us keep the spirit alive and this community thriving. So let’s keep it up.
Thanks very much!
-- John Burwell - KI5QKX
Hi, John:
In regard to ARDC and 44net resources, I am only interested in the Amateur Radio community and Amateur Radio technologies. I hope the ARDC will do its best to to be considerate and conscientious of the Amateur Radio resources they manage to keep the Amateur Radio community thriving. I would like have agreement on that.
73, Chuck nc8q
Absolutely. I don’t think I’d be going out on a limb to say amateur radio isn’t going anywhere as far as ARDC is concerned. I see amateur radio happening in this community every day. In fact, one of the things I myself want to do is help others see what I see, so we can all do more to celebrate each others’ successes. Stick around and we’ll see what we can do to shine more light on the amazing things that are happening all over the place in 44Net and in amateur radio.
-- John Burwell - KI5QKX 44Net Program Manager Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ardc.net
On Sep 17, 2025, at 12:14, Chuck Gelm NC8Q via 44net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:
On 9/17/25 11:46, John Burwell via groups.io wrote:
I’m glad to see people are interested in getting involved and participating in the organization and engaging with its leadership. Inviting contributions is very much the purpose of this thread.
The people who contribute their time and effort are doing their best to serve the community. I work with people every day who want nothing but for people to succeed in exploring and learning and building with technologies for the benefit of their communities.
The challenge sometimes when there’s a large group of people trying to move many things forward is that not everyone agrees on what everyone else should be doing. That’s okay though, because not every corner of the world has the same needs and interests.
But the way things work is, we all try to do our best to be considerate and conscientious. We do need to agree at least on that. Fortunately, I think we do. That’s how we and those who’ve come before us keep the spirit alive and this community thriving. So let’s keep it up.
Thanks very much!
-- John Burwell - KI5QKX
Hi, John:
In regard to ARDC and 44net resources, I am only interested in the Amateur Radio community and Amateur Radio technologies. I hope the ARDC will do its best to to be considerate and conscientious of the Amateur Radio resources they manage to keep the Amateur Radio community thriving. I would like have agreement on that.
73, Chuck nc8q
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On 9/17/25 10:43, Steve Stroh via 44net wrote:
ARDC’s activities and especially grants (such as scholarships) aren’t solely related to Amateur Radio.
Uh, oh!
So the ARDC mission is to give away money?
73, Chuck
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