Description: The network 44.190.0.0/16 is available to host amateur radio internet services using direct BGP. Allocations will be made usually in /24 chunks. The focus of this network is to transfer data as direct as possible (no radio, no tunnels) to keep reliability high. AMPRNet systems with no dynamic routing protocol support are able to route 44.190.0.0/16 via their ISP.
Background: AMPRNet allocations are not partitioned by connectivity type. Each individual network can either be of type "radio", "tunnel" or "direct". AMPRNet systems may be "dual homed" and have a line based and a radio connection, thus there needs to be a decision whether a packet should be forwarded by line or by radio.
This _could_ be achieved by AMPRNet systems *with* dynamic routing protocols by learning the routes and treating each route by its type (or any other available "flag"). However this will _never_ be the case for AMPRNet systems *without* support for dynamic routing protocols.
Endusers running a *radio* connection to AMPRNet infrastructure such as HAMNET User Acess Points, IPIP-Mesh Gateways or even direct-BGP Gateways might ask how to integrate the radio connection into their home-LAN to have permanent access using any device on their LAN. Unfortunately standard home routers do not provide dynamic routing protocols, but there is often the functionality to add additional static routes like "44.0.0.0/8 via radio" and "44.190.0.0/16 via ISP". Sometimes customers are *forced* to use the router provided by the ISP to access the Internet (such a requirement is prohibited by law in Germany). Those might have no functionality to set static routes at all and you might end up attaching another router to the router to gain more functionality...
As of today the standard setup for "dual homed" AMPRNet systems *without* support for dynamic routing protocols is to add 44.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 via <radio device within the home-LAN>. Outbound connections to 44.x.x.x will be made by their radio with the source-44 address and outbound connections to the Internet will be made with the source address obtained from the ISP.
This worked without any issues as long as there were no direct BGP allocations within the network44. Nowadays we have several amateur radio internet services provided on the Network44 by direct BGP and the accessibility for the above mentioned AMPRNet systems highly depends on a proper radio connection and the backbone infrastructure to transfer the packet to its destination.
The idea of 44.190.0.0/16 is to give willing stakeholders the opportunity to improve the situation. Amateur radio internet services can be hosted in that range while AMPRNet systems can make use of the additional route 44.190.0.0/16 via their ISP.
The following issue has much more impact: Once direct BGP allocations started within the Network44 we encountered situations of full incompatibility. It is the case for amateur radio internet services (e.g. Echolink) working with a directory to map callsigns to IP addresses. Echolink does learn the IP address of an Echolink station (respectively of the used Echolink Proxy or Relay) from the inbound connection to the directory service.
This leads to the problem, that AMPRNet systems forwarding 44.0.0.0/8 to the radio device on the roof will not have a slow or weak connection to a Echolink station using direct BGP but even *no* connection at all.
Since they are registered on the Echolink network with their IP address obtained from the ISP but appearing with their Network44 address used over radio at the Echolink station using direct BGP, the connection is dropped due to a mismatch between "IP address <-> callsign".
This will not happen if Echolink Relay/Proxy Servers or Echolink Stations will make use of address space from 44.190.0.0/16 while AMPRNet systems route 44.190.0.0/16 via their ISP. There will be no IP mismatch anymore.
I made a diagram explaining the situation: http://db0fhn.efi.fh-nuernberg.de/~dg8ngn/echolink-amprnet.pdf
73, Jann
Where this network is located (where the BGP advartuse point to ) ? 4z4zq Ronen http://www.ronen.org [http://www.ronen.org/My-QSl.jpg1zB]http://www.ronen.org/
Ronen Pinchooks (4Z4ZQ) WebSitehttp://www.ronen.org/ ronen.org (Ronen Pinchooks (4Z4ZQ) WebSite) is hosted by domainavenue.com www.ronen.org
________________________________ From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@mailman.ampr.org on behalf of Jann Traschewski jann@gmx.de Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 2:36 AM To: 44net@mailman.ampr.org Subject: [44net] Network 44.190.0.0/16 - Further information
Description: The network 44.190.0.0/16 is available to host amateur radio internet services using direct BGP. Allocations will be made usually in /24 chunks. The focus of this network is to transfer data as direct as possible (no radio, no tunnels) to keep reliability high. AMPRNet systems with no dynamic routing protocol support are able to route 44.190.0.0/16 via their ISP.
Background: AMPRNet allocations are not partitioned by connectivity type. Each individual network can either be of type "radio", "tunnel" or "direct". AMPRNet systems may be "dual homed" and have a line based and a radio connection, thus there needs to be a decision whether a packet should be forwarded by line or by radio.
This _could_ be achieved by AMPRNet systems *with* dynamic routing protocols by learning the routes and treating each route by its type (or any other available "flag"). However this will _never_ be the case for AMPRNet systems *without* support for dynamic routing protocols.
Endusers running a *radio* connection to AMPRNet infrastructure such as HAMNET User Acess Points, IPIP-Mesh Gateways or even direct-BGP Gateways might ask how to integrate the radio connection into their home-LAN to have permanent access using any device on their LAN. Unfortunately standard home routers do not provide dynamic routing protocols, but there is often the functionality to add additional static routes like "44.0.0.0/8 via radio" and "44.190.0.0/16 via ISP". Sometimes customers are *forced* to use the router provided by the ISP to access the Internet (such a requirement is prohibited by law in Germany). Those might have no functionality to set static routes at all and you might end up attaching another router to the router to gain more functionality...
As of today the standard setup for "dual homed" AMPRNet systems *without* support for dynamic routing protocols is to add 44.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 via <radio device within the home-LAN>. Outbound connections to 44.x.x.x will be made by their radio with the source-44 address and outbound connections to the Internet will be made with the source address obtained from the ISP.
This worked without any issues as long as there were no direct BGP allocations within the network44. Nowadays we have several amateur radio internet services provided on the Network44 by direct BGP and the accessibility for the above mentioned AMPRNet systems highly depends on a proper radio connection and the backbone infrastructure to transfer the packet to its destination.
The idea of 44.190.0.0/16 is to give willing stakeholders the opportunity to improve the situation. Amateur radio internet services can be hosted in that range while AMPRNet systems can make use of the additional route 44.190.0.0/16 via their ISP.
The following issue has much more impact: Once direct BGP allocations started within the Network44 we encountered situations of full incompatibility. It is the case for amateur radio internet services (e.g. Echolink) working with a directory to map callsigns to IP addresses. Echolink does learn the IP address of an Echolink station (respectively of the used Echolink Proxy or Relay) from the inbound connection to the directory service.
This leads to the problem, that AMPRNet systems forwarding 44.0.0.0/8 to the radio device on the roof will not have a slow or weak connection to a Echolink station using direct BGP but even *no* connection at all.
Since they are registered on the Echolink network with their IP address obtained from the ISP but appearing with their Network44 address used over radio at the Echolink station using direct BGP, the connection is dropped due to a mismatch between "IP address <-> callsign".
This will not happen if Echolink Relay/Proxy Servers or Echolink Stations will make use of address space from 44.190.0.0/16 while AMPRNet systems route 44.190.0.0/16 via their ISP. There will be no IP mismatch anymore.
I made a diagram explaining the situation: http://db0fhn.efi.fh-nuernberg.de/~dg8ngn/echolink-amprnet.pdf
73, Jann
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Right. For example, 44.190.5.0/24 is announced by ASN 7247 at Hurricane Electric in Fremont, CA.
73, -jav k4jh
On May 10, 2018, at 02:29, Brian Kantor Brian@BKantor.net wrote:
Each 44.190.x.0/24 subnet arranges its own BGP advertising, so there isn't just one point. They are spread all over the world.
- Brian
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 08:58:25AM +0000, R P wrote:
Where this network is located (where the BGP advartuse point to ) ? 4z4zq Ronen
First EchoLink contact coming from USA, it works!
Sun May 13 16:27:18 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from KF6ZOL (iPhone) at 44.190.5.101 Sun May 13 16:27:18 2018: Spurious audio packet received from 44.190.5.101 Sun May 13 16:27:19 2018: Spurious audio packet received from 44.190.5.101 Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from KF6ZOL (iPhone) at 44.190.5.101 Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: SimplexLogic: Activating module EchoLink... Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: KF6ZOL: Accepting connection. EchoLink ID is 93727... Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: KF6ZOL: EchoLink QSO state changed to CONNECTED Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter ON Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: --- EchoLink info message received from KF6ZOL --- Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: Station KF6ZOL Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: iPhone User Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: iPhone Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: iPhone Sun May 13 16:27:26 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter OFF Sun May 13 16:28:22 2018: KF6ZOL: EchoLink QSO state changed to DISCONNECTED Sun May 13 16:28:22 2018: SimplexLogic: Deactivating module EchoLink... Sun May 13 16:28:23 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter ON Sun May 13 16:28:29 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter OFF
73 and ciao, gus i0ojj/ir0aab
Hello,
Je tente de faire la configuration de la passerelle en passant par ma Freebox en mode routeur. Je suis actuellement "coincé" car il n'est pas possible d'y rajouter des routes supplémentaires.
Le passage en mode bridge m'obligerait à mettre derrière la Freebox soit un routeur, ou un petit pc.
Des idées pour solutionner le problème du réseau 44 avec une Freebox en mode routeur ? Sinon Est-ce une bonne idée de transformer une raspberry en routeur et serveur web derriere une Freebox en mode bridge ?
73 F1sxo Frédéric ZULIAN
Le lun. 14 mai 2018 à 18:30, Gustavo Ponza g.ponza@tin.it a écrit :
First EchoLink contact coming from USA, it works!
Sun May 13 16:27:18 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from KF6ZOL (iPhone) at 44.190.5.101 Sun May 13 16:27:18 2018: Spurious audio packet received from 44.190.5.101 Sun May 13 16:27:19 2018: Spurious audio packet received from 44.190.5.101 Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from KF6ZOL (iPhone) at 44.190.5.101 Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: SimplexLogic: Activating module EchoLink... Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: KF6ZOL: Accepting connection. EchoLink ID is 93727... Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: KF6ZOL: EchoLink QSO state changed to CONNECTED Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter ON Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: --- EchoLink info message received from KF6ZOL
Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: Station KF6ZOL Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: iPhone User Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: iPhone Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: iPhone Sun May 13 16:27:26 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter OFF Sun May 13 16:28:22 2018: KF6ZOL: EchoLink QSO state changed to DISCONNECTED Sun May 13 16:28:22 2018: SimplexLogic: Deactivating module EchoLink... Sun May 13 16:28:23 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter ON Sun May 13 16:28:29 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter OFF
73 and ciao, gus i0ojj/ir0aab
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Hello Frederic,
This is an English-language mailing list. Not many will understand if you post your message in French.
I'm not familiar with the Freebox. However, if you put your cable modem or DSL modem into bridge mode, you will need a router behind it, and the Raspberry PI works very well for that. Please read the wiki for some hints on how to use it. - Brian
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 07:30:57PM +0200, Frederic Zulian wrote:
Hello,
Je tente de faire la configuration de la passerelle en passant par ma Freebox en mode routeur. Je suis actuellement "coincé" car il n'est pas possible d'y rajouter des routes supplémentaires.
Le passage en mode bridge m'obligerait à mettre derrière la Freebox soit un routeur, ou un petit pc.
Des idées pour solutionner le problème du réseau 44 avec une Freebox en mode routeur ? Sinon Est-ce une bonne idée de transformer une raspberry en routeur et serveur web derriere une Freebox en mode bridge ?
73 F1sxo Frédéric ZULIAN
Le lun. 14 mai 2018 à 18:30, Gustavo Ponza g.ponza@tin.it a écrit :
First EchoLink contact coming from USA, it works!
Sun May 13 16:27:18 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from KF6ZOL (iPhone) at 44.190.5.101 Sun May 13 16:27:18 2018: Spurious audio packet received from 44.190.5.101 Sun May 13 16:27:19 2018: Spurious audio packet received from 44.190.5.101 Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from KF6ZOL (iPhone) at 44.190.5.101 Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: SimplexLogic: Activating module EchoLink... Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: KF6ZOL: Accepting connection. EchoLink ID is 93727... Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: KF6ZOL: EchoLink QSO state changed to CONNECTED Sun May 13 16:27:20 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter ON Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: --- EchoLink info message received from KF6ZOL
Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: Station KF6ZOL Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: iPhone User Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: iPhone Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: Sun May 13 16:27:21 2018: iPhone Sun May 13 16:27:26 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter OFF Sun May 13 16:28:22 2018: KF6ZOL: EchoLink QSO state changed to DISCONNECTED Sun May 13 16:28:22 2018: SimplexLogic: Deactivating module EchoLink... Sun May 13 16:28:23 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter ON Sun May 13 16:28:29 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter OFF
73 and ciao, gus i0ojj/ir0aab
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On 15/05/18 03:48, Brian Kantor wrote:
Hello Frederic,
This is an English-language mailing list. Not many will understand if you post your message in French.
I'm not familiar with the Freebox. However, if you put your cable modem or DSL modem into bridge mode, you will need a router behind it, and the Raspberry PI works very well for that. Please read the wiki for some hints on how to use it.
Yes, the R-Pi works well for an AMPRnet router, I use one myself, though I don't have to put my router into bridge mode - using the DMZ facility passes IPIP encapsulation perfectly well. I can't speak for the "Freebox".
Le 14/05/2018 à 19:30, Frederic Zulian a écrit :
Je tente de faire la configuration de la passerelle en passant par ma Freebox en mode routeur. Je suis actuellement "coincé" car il n'est pas possible d'y rajouter des routes supplémentaires.
Hi Frederic,
As Brian said, this is an English-speaking ML, very few people can inderstand French. I'll answer (in French) via MP.
73 de TK1BI
The wonders of gmail translate make it English ;)
Hello,
I try to make the configuration of the gateway through my Freebox in router mode. I am currently "stuck" because it is not possible to add additional roads.
The transition to bridge mode would require me to put behind the Freebox is a router, or a small pc.
Ideas to solve the problem of the network 44 with a Freebox in router mode? If not Is it a good idea to turn a raspberry into a router and server web behind a Freebox in bridge mode?
73
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:55 PM Toussaint OTTAVI t.ottavi@bc-109.com wrote:
Le 14/05/2018 à 19:30, Frederic Zulian a écrit :
Je tente de faire la configuration de la passerelle en passant par ma Freebox en mode routeur. Je suis actuellement "coincé" car il n'est pas possible d'y rajouter des routes supplémentaires.
Hi Frederic,
As Brian said, this is an English-speaking ML, very few people can inderstand French. I'll answer (in French) via MP.
73 de TK1BI
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On 15/05/18 04:57, Lin Holcomb wrote:
The wonders of gmail translate make it English ;)
Shaky, but readable. :)
Hello,
I try to make the configuration of the gateway through my Freebox in router mode. I am currently "stuck" because it is not possible to add additional roads.
Does the Freebox have a "DMZ" or "Default host" mode? This is an IP address that all traffic not otherwise forwarded is sent to. Many routers can only forward specific TCP or UDP ports. The IPIP encapsulation uses neither, and the only way to forward these is to use DMZ mode.
The transition to bridge mode would require me to put behind the Freebox is a router, or a small pc.
Ideas to solve the problem of the network 44 with a Freebox in router mode? If not Is it a good idea to turn a raspberry into a router and server web behind a Freebox in bridge mode?
A Raspberry Pi is good for AMPernet routing, but I wouldn't use one as the primary router for Internet use, because the I/O performance of the Pi will slow down your Internet connection - across the LAN here, I get only a few Mbps transferring files from a Pi, compared to the full 100 Mbps for any other host on the LAN. As I'm on a 100/40 Mbps Internet connection, that would be unacceptable!
So first thing I'd try on your network is to use DMZ forward incoming traffic to a Pi running ampr-ripd and the other software necessary. If that's not possible, then put the Freebox into bridge mode and get another router to do all of your port forwarding.
One last thing to note, if you already have a machine in DMZ, then you have a problem, as you can only have one DMZ host on your network, and that will need to be the AMPRnet router (that Pi we mentioned before). In this case, you have to either remove the other machine from the DMZ, usually by doing specific port forwards for it, consolidate the functions of that machine and AMPRnet routing into one (ideally Linux) machine, or you need to obtain another public IP address from your ISP.
Failing that, the only other solution left is to organise AMPRnet access via VPN.
http://supertos.free.fr/supertos.php?page=1688
Ceci explique tres bien comment configuré une freebox pour vos besoin, sans avoir a placé un routeur entre votre freebox et un raspberr pi qui fera votre encapsulation ipip pour votre segment amprnet.
This will explain how to settup a freebox for ip fowarding or dmz to have a raspberry pi behind the freebox without needing a routeur.
Bien le bonsoir de Pierre VE2PF
Envoyé de mon iPad
Le 14 mai 2018 à 20:11, Tony Langdon <vk3jed@vkradio.commailto:vk3jed@vkradio.com> a écrit :
On 15/05/18 04:57, Lin Holcomb wrote: The wonders of gmail translate make it English ;)
Shaky, but readable. :)
Hello,
I try to make the configuration of the gateway through my Freebox in router mode. I am currently "stuck" because it is not possible to add additional roads. Does the Freebox have a "DMZ" or "Default host" mode? This is an IP address that all traffic not otherwise forwarded is sent to. Many routers can only forward specific TCP or UDP ports. The IPIP encapsulation uses neither, and the only way to forward these is to use DMZ mode.
The transition to bridge mode would require me to put behind the Freebox is a router, or a small pc.
Ideas to solve the problem of the network 44 with a Freebox in router mode? If not Is it a good idea to turn a raspberry into a router and server web behind a Freebox in bridge mode? A Raspberry Pi is good for AMPernet routing, but I wouldn't use one as the primary router for Internet use, because the I/O performance of the Pi will slow down your Internet connection - across the LAN here, I get only a few Mbps transferring files from a Pi, compared to the full 100 Mbps for any other host on the LAN. As I'm on a 100/40 Mbps Internet connection, that would be unacceptable!
So first thing I'd try on your network is to use DMZ forward incoming traffic to a Pi running ampr-ripd and the other software necessary. If that's not possible, then put the Freebox into bridge mode and get another router to do all of your port forwarding.
One last thing to note, if you already have a machine in DMZ, then you have a problem, as you can only have one DMZ host on your network, and that will need to be the AMPRnet router (that Pi we mentioned before). In this case, you have to either remove the other machine from the DMZ, usually by doing specific port forwards for it, consolidate the functions of that machine and AMPRnet routing into one (ideally Linux) machine, or you need to obtain another public IP address from your ISP.
Failing that, the only other solution left is to organise AMPRnet access via VPN.
-- 73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
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On May 14, 2018, at 09:28, Gustavo Ponza g.ponza@tin.it wrote:
First EchoLink contact coming from USA, it works!
Sun May 13 16:27:18 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from KF6ZOL (iPhone) at 44.190.5.101
That’s one of mine, even.
I guess it works!
73, -jav k4jh
Simply great, it works! Furthermore, the historical NLD gateway continues to work as usual for me, see below. Compliments to both system Sysops!
73 and ciao, gus i0ojj/ir0aab
Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from WA7NWP (NWP) at 44.137.75.243 Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: SimplexLogic: Activating module EchoLink... Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: WA7NWP: Accepting connection. EchoLink ID is 12663... Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: WA7NWP: EchoLink QSO state changed to CONNECTED Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: WA7NWP: EchoLink QSO state changed to BYE_RECEIVED Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: WA7NWP: EchoLink QSO state changed to DISCONNECTED Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: SimplexLogic: Deactivating module EchoLink...
On 05/14/2018 07:33 PM, Javier Henderson wrote:
On May 14, 2018, at 09:28, Gustavo Ponza g.ponza@tin.it wrote:
First EchoLink contact coming from USA, it works!
Sun May 13 16:27:18 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from KF6ZOL (iPhone) at 44.190.5.101
That’s one of mine, even.
I guess it works!
73, -jav k4jh
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On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Gustavo Ponza g.ponza@tin.it wrote:
Simply great, it works!
Maybe...
Furthermore, the historical NLD gateway continues to work as usual for me, see below. Compliments to both system Sysops!
73 and ciao, gus i0ojj/ir0aab
Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from WA7NWP (NWP) at 44.137.75.243 Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: SimplexLogic: Activating module EchoLink... Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: WA7NWP: Accepting connection. EchoLink ID is 12663... Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: WA7NWP: EchoLink QSO state changed to CONNECTED Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: WA7NWP: EchoLink QSO state changed to BYE_RECEIVED Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: WA7NWP: EchoLink QSO state changed to DISCONNECTED Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: SimplexLogic: Deactivating module EchoLink...
I was connected on an Android phone app thru a library wifi system. All I saw at my end was "Connection Timed out."
Bill, WA&NWP
On 15.05.2018 02:14, Bill Vodall wrote:
Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from WA7NWP (NWP) at 44.137.75.243 Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: SimplexLogic: Activating module EchoLink... Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: WA7NWP: Accepting connection. EchoLink ID is 12663... Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: WA7NWP: EchoLink QSO state changed to CONNECTED Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: WA7NWP: EchoLink QSO state changed to BYE_RECEIVED Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: WA7NWP: EchoLink QSO state changed to DISCONNECTED Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: SimplexLogic: Deactivating module EchoLink...
I was connected on an Android phone app thru a library wifi system. All I saw at my end was "Connection Timed out."
Here is the full explanation why is does not work:
* Your Android phone looked for nearby Echolink Relays and picked the Echolink Relay 44.137.75.243 as the best candidate.
* Your Android phone connected to the Relay and requests a connection to IR0AAB-R.
Info: IR0AAB-R is an Echolink Repeater on a "dual homed" system: Internet IP: 80.181.234.93 AMPRNet IP: 44.134.32.240 IR0AAB-R is registered to the Echolink System with 80.181.234.93
* An Echolink connection request from WA7NWP (44.137.75.243) to IR0AAB-R (80.181.234.93) is sent.
* The logfile at IR0AAB-R is filled: Mon May 14 19:19:32 2018: WA7NWP: EchoLink QSO state changed to CONNECTED
Info: The Echolink Relay is direct BGP connected and member of the AMPRNet IPIP-Mesh (44.137.0.0/16 via 213.222.29.194)
* An Echolink connection reply from IR0AAB-R is sent with the source-IP _44.134.32.240_ to 44.137.75.243 through the IPIP-Mesh-Tunnel
* The Echolink Proxy Server drops the incoming packets from IR0AAB-R since IR0AAB-R is know as *80.181.234.93* rather than _44.134.32.240_ on the Echolink Network
--> The connection can't be established and is immediately dropped.
On 15.05.2018 01:33, Gustavo Ponza wrote:
Furthermore, the historical NLD gateway continues to work as usual for me, see below.
Sorry, I can't agree on that. Without manual interaction Echolink Repeaters behind traditional IPIP-Mesh gateways are not reachable through the NLD Echolink Relays/Proxies.
73, Jann
On 15/05/18 17:52, Jann Traschewski wrote:
Info: IR0AAB-R is an Echolink Repeater on a "dual homed" system: Internet IP: 80.181.234.93 AMPRNet IP: 44.134.32.240 IR0AAB-R is registered to the Echolink System with 80.181.234.93
To me, this is the key to the problem. Dual homed Echolink systems make no sense. If the machine is dual homed, Echolink should be bound to a specific IP, so that the only IP in use is the same one that the Echolink servers see. Not sure if the Windows program can do this, but thelinkbox (Linux) certainly can. I don't know about SVXlink, haven't really played with it.
The design of nodes can play a part in this.
On 15.05.2018 10:37, Tony Langdon wrote:
Info: IR0AAB-R is an Echolink Repeater on a "dual homed" system: Internet IP: 80.181.234.93 AMPRNet IP: 44.134.32.240 IR0AAB-R is registered to the Echolink System with 80.181.234.93
To me, this is the key to the problem.
The solution has been proposed with 44.190.0.0/16.
73, Jann
On 15/05/18 19:20, Jann Traschewski wrote:
On 15.05.2018 10:37, Tony Langdon wrote:
Info: IR0AAB-R is an Echolink Repeater on a "dual homed" system: Internet IP: 80.181.234.93 AMPRNet IP: 44.134.32.240 IR0AAB-R is registered to the Echolink System with 80.181.234.93
To me, this is the key to the problem.
The solution has been proposed with 44.190.0.0/16.
For this particular problem, a bit of a workaround. Because of the way Echolink works, no node should be listening on multiple IPs.
Again, the large majority of ham EchoLink users in the world are on the commercial IP links and, on the contrary, very few 44net users/systems are using it. Now the failure is beyond of systems like the mine.
Problems and solutions described by Jann DG8NGN are very effective and should be followed by everyone.
Also, see another log coming from tests conducted by DG8NGN, in particular note the '*** WARNING' lines, then the simple solution appears that which use the a unique 44net to do the EchoLink job or for other Susop having good experience on networks to adapt their gateways to overcome this failure. i'm not experienced to help on this field.
------------ Tue May 15 09:29:01 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from DG8NGN (Jann) at 44.130.120.3 Tue May 15 09:29:01 2018: *** WARNING: Ignoring incoming connection from DG8NGN since the IP address registered in the directory server (44.137.75.208) is not the same as the remote IP address (44.130.120.3) of the incoming connection Tue May 15 09:29:01 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from DG8NGN (Jann) at 44.130.120.3 Tue May 15 09:29:01 2018: *** WARNING: Ignoring incoming connection from DG8NGN since the IP address registered in the directory server (44.137.75.208) is not the same as the remote IP address (44.130.120.3) of the incoming connection Tue May 15 09:29:06 2018: Spurious audio packet received from 44.130.120.3 Tue May 15 09:29:06 2018: Incoming EchoLink connection from DG8NGN (Jann) at 44.130.120.3 Tue May 15 09:29:06 2018: SimplexLogic: Activating module EchoLink... Tue May 15 09:29:06 2018: DG8NGN: Accepting connection. EchoLink ID is 4542... Tue May 15 09:29:06 2018: DG8NGN: EchoLink QSO state changed to CONNECTED Tue May 15 09:29:06 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter ON Tue May 15 09:29:12 2018: --- EchoLink info message received from DG8NGN --- Tue May 15 09:29:12 2018: Station DG8NGN Tue May 15 09:29:12 2018: Tue May 15 09:29:12 2018: Jann Tue May 15 09:29:12 2018: jn55lj Tue May 15 09:29:12 2018: Tue May 15 09:29:13 2018: Tx1: Turning the transmitter OFF Tue May 15 09:30:20 2018: DG8NGN: EchoLink QSO state changed to DISCONNECTED Tue May 15 09:30:20 2018: SimplexLogic: Deactivating module EchoLink...
73 and ciao, gus i0ojj/ir0aab
On 05/15/2018 01:17 PM, Tony Langdon wrote:
On 15/05/18 19:20, Jann Traschewski wrote:
On 15.05.2018 10:37, Tony Langdon wrote:
Info: IR0AAB-R is an Echolink Repeater on a "dual homed" system: Internet IP: 80.181.234.93 AMPRNet IP: 44.134.32.240 IR0AAB-R is registered to the Echolink System with 80.181.234.93
To me, this is the key to the problem.
The solution has been proposed with 44.190.0.0/16.
For this particular problem, a bit of a workaround. Because of the way Echolink works, no node should be listening on multiple IPs.