DD9QP:
Keep in mind that in Europe there is a "European HAMNET" driven by 16 countries. It was founded in early 2000s and is using 16bit-ASNs because the 32bit-range was not available at that time. There is a registry to avoid ASN-doubles and it is working very well.
Well... We have been using that but the exact reason for this whole proposal was that I was extremely p*ssed off this week when I discovered that this registry only wants to allocate 1 contiguous range of AS numbers per country, and allocates only tiny ranges. Every time one outgrows the range of numbers, one is supposed to renumber the entire network. What a joke!
Initially we (the Netherlands) got an allocation of 4 AS numbers, and when we needed more, the range immediately after that turned out to be already allocated since before we got our 4. So we apparently had been put in a hole left by someone else moving.
When I noted that I did not like this and would like a second block to expand our allocation, the owner of the adjacent block was requested to renumber!!! He even complained that he had to renumber twice before. Then, we could expand our allocation to 19. And this process was completed before I even could note that I did not want to make others do the work that I did not see as useful.
So then the decision was made to leave that registry and find another solution where neither we or others were forced to renumber or live with sub-optimal solutions (trying to limit the number of ASN).
Our block can be returned to the free pool or be given back to the previous owner in case he did not start the actual renumbering work.
Rob
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Am 10.12.2015 um 19:25 schrieb Rob Janssen:
Well... We have been using that but the exact reason for this whole proposal was that I was extremely p*ssed off this week ...
LOL
Rob -
I think this is not the plenum and thread to discuss your emotional situation.
As I have heard some 3 weeks ago you occupied an additional ASN which was advertised to Slowenia since 2012 without asking maintainers or anybody else and without agreement from slowenia for using it. Well thats community rules and it works for 16 countries. I personaly think you did it by mistake because it was documented well only on 2 Sites in the net and you had no time to read it or ask some of the maintainers. Taking all this into account I can understand that others than you had some more reasons to get p*ssed off.
Initially we (the Netherlands) got an allocation of 4 AS numbers,...
This was kind of an an initial "dummy" block assigned in 2010-2012 when the netherlands not even were thinking about joining that Network. We never heard of them until end 2014. Believe it or not: It was some German Guys that proposed in a very early planing phase to put the netherlands in for future use because they could not believe that the Netherlands would not be interested in the future. Some more guys that have reason to get p*ssed off now? Well it's your decision not to participate. Whenever a country ran out of ASN-space it got some more, without doing a caroussel for all others, but _after_ a request to the community/registry.
Rob, what you brought into this list is a question of behavior and how one should interact with a community, but it has nothing to do with technical reasons, so I am not willing to discuss this any more on this list or in this thread.
Let's see what we can plan for the future in using 32bit-ASNs. A unique and commonly accepted method could even help to avoid problems you had.
73s de Egbert
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Rob Janssen