Charles,

Thanks for the reply - I wasn't actually sure my emails were being received by the reflector any longer. Thank you so much! So it just seems nobody's answering (weird). I understand you don't do DNS, and Chris never answered that question in my normal annual email to you both. FYI nobody told me who handles these things now. As of this morning - I've called the ARDC offices in California to leave a voicemail about this and the email reflector. I believe I'm slightly early on Eastern Time, so I'll try them again later.

Thanks and 73,

KB3VWG

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 10:47:14 AM EDT, Charles J. Hargrove via 44net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:

I had the same thing a few weeks ago with my Gmail account. I switched my subscription back to my own server, which was getting that error a few years ago. Very weird indeed.

On 5/14/2024 10:28 AM, lleachii--- via 44net wrote:

This is the message - I have to navigate to https://mailman.ardc.net/ https://mailman.ardc.net/ after each message to the reflector to re-enable my subscription:

• KB3VWG

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On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 10:23:54 AM EDT, lleachii--- via 44net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:

FYI

I am also getting rejections from the mailing list as of Friday May 10th. I still haven't received a response about the 23 tickets that are pending and unassigned - which is seems are needed to do my normal annual DNS work (BTW - which seems will require MORE tickets).

I must be honest, this is getting insane. This normally takes 1 hour - and nobody is responding to me who previously took responsibility for administering everything (i.e. Chris). This process has been the same for over 10 years, now I can't even get a response.

• can someone PLEASE respond with that's going on
• again, I am willing to help/work - because I am not willing to wait

for something we usually did in 1 hour or less and so

Should I just notify my government sponsor that something's going on - is ARDC defunct or something?

This is becoming pressing and if 44net is not available for Amateur use, this section needs to know.

73,

Lynwood KB3VWG

I CANNOT BELIEVE IT! The last financial statement indicated that you have well over $100M in the bank, and now you are claiming lack of progress in ticket handling is "due to the costs, which is typically over $2"????

It is not only that the tickets are handled slowly, the whole process was apparently not well thought out. I asked to get access to our Hobbyscoop club callsigns, I submitted only two because based on recent experience I already expected that Chris would reject the request, and indeed that was what happened. I should not relate those club callsigns to my own account, I needed to create a separate account for the club.

Now of course that already is a bad idea in itself. It will lead to a shared account with shared credentials, it will preclude the use of 2FA, and it will make it difficult to have any logging and accounting of actions done via that account. It simply is not a preferred way of doing things. Preferable would be to have an individual account per admin, and the same club callsigns added to several different personal accounts, so that each authorized person can do admin tasks and the tasks they have performed remain related to the person that performed them, not some generic club account.

But that aside, and knowing that it is useless to discuss with Chris, I created a club account and started adding callsigns to it. After 5 callsigns it errored out with "you can have a maximum of 5 callsigns". REALLY? we have many more than that. So I had to create another ticket, to raise the number of callsigns per account. And now we wait.... probably again several weeks, likely to find my request rejected with another "rule invented on the spot", as already happened several times.

What we really need a a place where constructive discussion can be held about the requirements that we have, and a positive attitude towards implementing them. I.e. not what we have seen until now. And I am not going to discuss that in an online video meeting, that is a place where I cannot express myself clearly enough (as I have experienced in the past).

Rob

On 2024-05-14 16:53, Dave Gingrich via 44net wrote:

We are working through the tickets.  We did not anticipate the huge flood of tickets since the portal went up. We have added additional members of the TAC to work through the Callsign and Address verification tickets. Tickets related to other things are handled by staff.

We use access to records of FCC, RAC, and QRZ.com http://QRZ.com and other online resources we can find. But we are NOT spending any extra time trying to match records. If we find any conflicting information, we are simply rejecting the application. At this time, we are not going to send out post cards or use other methods to verify addresses. Mainly due to the costs involved. The cost of sending out a simple post card, is typically over $2. There are hundreds of addresses needing verification.

I have to admit I’ve been surprised by the number of folks that requested verification of an address that does not agree with their license.

So if you have a pending address or callsign verification request, make sure all the public databases agree with your request.   —  Dave K9DC, K9IP

I would use the term "corporate" maybe? More so on topic - someone did respond about the tickets. Since they didn't really address who they were and their position or authority, I won't mention the call/name. They also explained why they wouldn't process 20 remaining tickets. Again, their comments are contrary to the policy I'm aware of, so I won't mention it. Oddly, I keep being made aware of different policies in private emails than are document for all to see - odd. I assumed it would be forthcoming soon (given they understand the pressing nature of my requests - having waited nearly a week to be told something novel and confidential). If you browse to domains > ampr.org  on the Portal and search "kb3vwg" comparing the 2 "claimed" records, it will reveal why the 18 perhaps are on hold - I didn't comprehend the person TBH. Lastly, another was assigned to the Portal admin to address a bug with text clearing from the box if you attach a file to a draft ticket. I will note that in their discussion - as with everyone I read in authority or employed - it seems AMRPNet is a burden to ARDC, yet they inherited their wealth from the network. I'm starting to gather you're correct - the "corporate" part of ARDC is being worked on more than the AMPRNet aspect. As much is noted here: https://www.ardc.net/about/%C2%A0- they openly admit to  having other primary functions (the "Grant Program" is implied to be the second perhaps, but note how they got funding for that function). I hope staff are more sensitive to users when addressing them about the network. ---

It's clear from browsing to http://ampr.org%C2%A0- aside from its redirected to ARDC, I've looked over and over. Slowly I see less to explain what "AMPR" actually is. Officially, you are referred to the Wiki. Rationale for comment - I suggest more about AMPRNet be added about it.

I hope this makes clear to all why I wanted to collaborate with those on a Wiki Group Reflector - rather than just a single admin in a private email. I finally discovered how to email the group today. Who to contact would then become more clear.

Again, people are willing to help - I've attempted to volunteer for years - it's clear now that mentioning it again is useless (just as the other operator who noted they tried to volunteer as well). We must not meet their selection process. Albeit I'll admit, the process has changed at least 3 times since I've tried to volunteer and now differs depending on committee. I digress noting again that it's wrong those persons are not listed as Alumni of the TAC - especially having used the Wireguard (and other) discussions for the network.

73,

- KB3VWG

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 02:54:28 PM EDT, g via 44net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:

I think it’s not amateur ownership going forward. I think it’s commercial now. We know it sold a part of our allotment and who own it now?  I wait.. what other things can we do. Can you wait one more week. The board will be in open session at Dayton amateur radio festival.  Wait till that day and maybe things will be different?

George Kirn had contact with this data.

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 9:24 AM lleachii--- via 44net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:

FYI I am also getting rejections from the mailing list as of Friday May 10th. I still haven't received a response about the 23 tickets that are pending and unassigned - which is seems are needed to do my normal annual DNS work (BTW - which seems will require MORE tickets). I must be honest, this is getting insane. This normally takes 1 hour - and nobody is responding to me who previously took responsibility for administering everything (i.e. Chris). This process has been the same for over 10 years, now I can't even get a response. - can someone PLEASE respond with that's going on- again, I am willing to help/work - because I am not willing to wait for something we usually did in 1 hour or less and so

Should I just notify my government sponsor that something's going on - is ARDC defunct or something? This is becoming pressing and if 44net is not available for Amateur use, this section needs to know.

73,

LynwoodKB3VWG

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Rob,

The conversations thus far have completely forgot IP Coordinators as well. I honest have remained silent about it - as it seems my trust level doesn't reflect my previous abilities. But since Regional Coordinator seem to be having the same issue, I decided not to mention IP Coordinators in this confusion.

- KB3VWG