10 Oct
2014
10 Oct
'14
3:12 p.m.
44net-request(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu wrote:
Subject:
[44net] Pirate Packet Radio Node CB0AFU
From:
Jann Traschewski <jann(a)gmx.de>
Date:
10/10/2014 09:22 AM
To:
44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu
Hi,
for those of you running a Packet Radio Link to CB0AFU: It seems it is
*not* located in Chile but running a gateway to CB-Radio (through two
links to Nodes in CB-Nodes in Austria).
Also watch out when stations use an NL prefix, the CB stations in the Netherlands
commonly use(d) that, so be careful to check if they are really from Alaska.
Rob
10 Oct
10 Oct
3:22 p.m.
New subject: Pirate Packet Radio Node CB0AFU
there may be an obvious answer to my question but how are these pirate set-ups getting an
allocated IP address for 44 net?
Do they just invent an allocation or do they actually apply to a coordinator who gives
them out?
Andy
G0HXT
On 10 Oct 2014, at 20:12, Rob Janssen <pe1chl(a)amsat.org> wrote:
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> _______________________________________________
> 44net-request(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu wrote:
>> Subject:
>> [44net] Pirate Packet Radio Node CB0AFU
>> From:
>> Jann Traschewski <jann(a)gmx.de>
>> Date:
>> 10/10/2014 09:22 AM
>>
>> To:
>> 44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> for those of you running a Packet Radio Link to CB0AFU: It seems it is
>> *not* located in Chile but running a gateway to CB-Radio (through two
>> links to Nodes in CB-Nodes in Austria).
>
> Also watch out when stations use an NL prefix, the CB stations in the Netherlands
> commonly use(d) that, so be careful to check if they are really from Alaska.
>
> Rob
>
6:24 p.m.
New subject: Pirate Packet Radio Node CB0AFU
On 10/10/2014 20:22, Andy Brittain wrote:
there may be an obvious answer to my question but how
are
these pirate set-ups getting an allocated IP address for 44 net?
Also worth asking whether *IF* CBers are operating correctly
within their band (and not wandering anywhere between 25-30MHz)
whether we should embrace them onto 44net. I'm not suggesting
we do so for pirates.
I realise there may be legislation issue regarding amateurs
communicating with non-amateurs but setting that aside, 44net
isn't exactly short of addresses and it might be a good way
to encourage more people to get full licenses by reaching out.
11 Oct
11 Oct
6:53 a.m.
New subject: Pirate Packet Radio Node CB0AFU
Hello Jason et al.
This kind of answer is VERY encouraging itself!
Yes, very good point of view and way to solve issue as well.
Best regards.
Tom - sp2lob
7:12 a.m.
New subject: Pirate Packet Radio Node CB0AFU
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 3:53 AM, sp2lob <sp2lob(a)tlen.pl> wrote:
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Hello Jason et al.
This kind of answer is VERY encouraging itself!
Yes, very good point of view and way to solve issue as well.
Best regards.
Tom - sp2lob
I hope some sarcasm was intended here.... but the <sarc> tag seems missing!
it would seem importaint to figure out how these pirates got an address and
got connected in the first place so as to prevent it.
Eric - AF6EP
7:23 a.m.
New subject: Pirate Packet Radio Node CB0AFU
Eric.
You're mistaken...
I did NOT meant any sort of sarcasm at all!
I just fully agree with Jason's point of view.
Best regards.
Tom - sp2lob
7:44 a.m.
New subject: Pirate Packet Radio Node CB0AFU
in that case, that opens the discussion about just who or what amprnet
ought include and connect with. Personally I've been long inclined to have
44net be just like any other /8 address space and fully internet connected
via bgp at multiple peering points, i.e. either we're part of the larger
internet with fully routable blocks or we're not. but as of right now,
that's not quite the case - amprnet is still largely isolated and amateur
to amateur via static tunnels.
so who and what should amprnet/44net be?
eric - af6ep
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 4:23 AM, sp2lob <sp2lob(a)tlen.pl> wrote:
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> Eric.
> You're mistaken...
> I did NOT meant any sort of sarcasm at all!
> I just fully agree with Jason's point of view.
> Best regards.
> Tom - sp2lob
>
8:18 a.m.
New subject: Pirate Packet Radio Node CB0AFU
I think opening up 44 net is potentially a good idea but then we run in to trouble where
RF is involved. Would we not be passing traffic that technically doesn’t fit under our
license t’s&c’s?
Andy
G0HXT
On 11 Oct 2014, at 12:44, Eric Fort <eric.fort(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> in that case, that opens the discussion about just who or what amprnet
> ought include and connect with. Personally I've been long inclined to have
> 44net be just like any other /8 address space and fully internet connected
> via bgp at multiple peering points, i.e. either we're part of the larger
> internet with fully routable blocks or we're not. but as of right now,
> that's not quite the case - amprnet is still largely isolated and amateur
> to amateur via static tunnels.
>
> so who and what should amprnet/44net be?
>
> eric - af6ep
>
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 4:23 AM, sp2lob <sp2lob(a)tlen.pl> wrote:
>
>> (Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Eric.
>> You're mistaken...
>> I did NOT meant any sort of sarcasm at all!
>> I just fully agree with Jason's point of view.
>> Best regards.
>> Tom - sp2lob
>>
10:31 a.m.
New subject: Pirate Packet Radio
Andy et al;
On Sat, 2014-10-11 at 13:18 +0100, Andy Brittain wrote:
I think opening up 44 net is potentially a good idea
but then we run in to trouble where RF is involved. Would we not be passing traffic that
technically doesn’t fit under our license t’s&c’s?
Absolutely. That would easier open us up to pirating (why bother get a
license if it's freely available?) and put us in jeopardy for possible
violation of 3rd party communications regulations depending what the 3rd
party does.
--
73 de Brian Rogers - N1URO
email: <n1uro(a)n1uro.ampr.org>
Web: http://www.n1uro.net/
Ampr1: http://n1uro.ampr.org/
Ampr2: http://nos.n1uro.ampr.org
Linux Amateur Radio Services
axMail-Fax & URONode
AmprNet coordinator for:
Connecticut, Delaware, Maine,
Maryland, Massachusetts,
New Hampshire, Pennsylvania,
Rhode Island, and Vermont.
10:34 a.m.
New subject: Pirate Packet Radio
I couldn't agree more Brian
On 11 Oct 2014 15:32, "Brian" <n1uro(a)n1uro.ampr.org> wrote:
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Andy et al;
On Sat, 2014-10-11 at 13:18 +0100, Andy Brittain wrote:
I think opening up 44 net is potentially a good
idea but then we run in
to trouble where RF is involved. Would we not be passing
traffic that
technically doesn’t fit under our license t’s&c’s?
Absolutely. That would easier open us up to pirating (why bother get a
license if it's freely available?) and put us in jeopardy for possible
violation of 3rd party communications regulations depending what the 3rd
party does.
--
73 de Brian Rogers - N1URO
email: <n1uro(a)n1uro.ampr.org>
Web: http://www.n1uro.net/
Ampr1: http://n1uro.ampr.org/
Ampr2: http://nos.n1uro.ampr.org
Linux Amateur Radio Services
axMail-Fax & URONode
AmprNet coordinator for:
Connecticut, Delaware, Maine,
Maryland, Massachusetts,
New Hampshire, Pennsylvania,
Rhode Island, and Vermont.
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13 Oct
13 Oct
1:31 a.m.
New subject: Pirate Packet Radio Node CB0AFU
On 10.10.2014 21:22, Andy Brittain wrote:
there may be an obvious answer to my question but how
are these
pirate set-ups getting an allocated IP address for 44 net?
They didn't get any. The mentioned links are based on commercial IP
addresses. Sorry for confusion.
73,
Jann
DG8NGN
--
Jann Traschewski, Faber-Castell-Str. 9, D-90522 Oberasbach, Germany
Tel.: +49-911-99946898, Mobile: +49-170-1045937, E-Mail: jann(a)gmx.de
Ham: DG8NGN / DB0VOX, http://www.qsl.net/dg8ngn
1:37 a.m.
New subject: Pirate Packet Radio Node CB0AFU
so just how are the links being done?
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Jann Traschewski <jann(a)gmx.de> wrote:
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On 10.10.2014 21:22, Andy Brittain wrote:
there may be an obvious answer to my question but
how are these
pirate set-ups getting an allocated IP address for 44 net?
They didn't get any. The mentioned links are based on commercial IP
addresses. Sorry for confusion.
73,
Jann
DG8NGN
--
Jann Traschewski, Faber-Castell-Str. 9, D-90522 Oberasbach, Germany
Tel.: +49-911-99946898, Mobile: +49-170-1045937, E-Mail: jann(a)gmx.de
Ham: DG8NGN / DB0VOX, http://www.qsl.net/dg8ngn
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11 Oct
11 Oct
6:20 a.m.
New subject: Pirate Packet Radio Node CB0AFU
Hello Rob et al.
Unbelievable!
How this may happen?
Best regards.
Tom - sp2lob
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