I think that there is a problem with a new allocation inside France 44.151.0.0. https://portal.ampr.org/networks.php?a=region&id=295 There is a declaration of one single user (not a network) with a /16 at the end...
Network Country Region Allocated to 44.151.67.22/16 FR Alsace F6EQN [Michel BELLEZIT]
Furtheremore, on his website, F5PBG invites all french users to register individually their IP on the "ampr.org" website. This will induce a lot of useless declarations.
http://inforadio.free.fr/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=85
# Changement de fonctionnement du réseau AMPR : # INSCRIPTION OBLIGATOIRE POUR ETRE PRIS EN COMPTE # à cette adresse : https://portal.ampr.org/ (Onglet "Register") # puis après connexion réalisez votre demande (Onglet "Networks")
Translation of this extract :
The AMPR network has changed Registration is compulsory at this adress : https://portal.ampr.org/ click on "register", and then after connexion, put your request, click on "network".
I think that an admin could delete this declaration, and put a reminder about what is an allocation, and what is a network, a subnet, etc...
Thanks.
On 2 Feb 2013, at 19:11, ze.bot@free.fr wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ I think that there is a problem with a new allocation inside France 44.151.0.0. https://portal.ampr.org/networks.php?a=region&id=295 There is a declaration of one single user (not a network) with a /16 at the end...
Network Country Region Allocated to 44.151.67.22/16 FR Alsace F6EQN [Michel BELLEZIT]
Yes, I saw that and corrected it to a /32 Actually there were two and both were corrected.
Furtheremore, on his website, F5PBG invites all french users to register individually their IP on the "ampr.org" website. This will induce a lot of useless declarations.
We are encouraging everyone that uses addresses in the 44/8 range to register - especially end users as they are the ones actually sending and receiving data from/to the IP(s) in question and need to be held accountable for their use.
Chris
I don't see much a need for the user to register depending on the situation. You should make as much info available to the end user as possible without registering. That is the info about the city (area) and who is responsible for that gateway- call/Name, etc With the call/name they can find us at qrz.com or google. You should direct more to the gateway operator as we are are running those gateways in the first place. People have a need for info about how to run gateways, jnos, linux and it is the gateway operators who can help. I receive a lot of questions about this and I help a lot of people.
Also a lot or maybe some of the gateways operators can already issue new 44 addresses for their own gateways (I can) so it should be good if the user can contact us.
We are often in a much better position to help that new user without waiting.
73,
Bob VE3TOK
On 13-02-02 03:26 PM, Chris Smith wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ On 2 Feb 2013, at 19:11, ze.bot@free.fr wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ I think that there is a problem with a new allocation inside France 44.151.0.0. https://portal.ampr.org/networks.php?a=region&id=295 There is a declaration of one single user (not a network) with a /16 at the end...
Network Country Region Allocated to 44.151.67.22/16 FR Alsace F6EQN [Michel BELLEZIT]
Yes, I saw that and corrected it to a /32 Actually there were two and both were corrected.
Furtheremore, on his website, F5PBG invites all french users to register individually their IP on the "ampr.org" website. This will induce a lot of useless declarations.
We are encouraging everyone that uses addresses in the 44/8 range to register - especially end users as they are the ones actually sending and receiving data from/to the IP(s) in question and need to be held accountable for their use.
Chris
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Bob,
User registration and network management are separate functions. I think that after a user registers, any network (address, LAN, etc.) requests go to the coordinator for that address space.
By registering, the Net-44 administration community captures contact information. If a network manager disappears, we can reassign the network and have a way to contact everyone on that network.
The network manager still is the best source for how LANs and addresses should be allocated. It is just good overall management to have a database of contact information for every net, subnet, and host.
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On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Bob Tenty bobtenty@gmail.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________
I don't see much a need for the user to register depending on the situation. You should make as much info available to the end user as possible without registering. That is the info about the city (area) and who is responsible for that gateway- call/Name, etc With the call/name they can find us at qrz.com or google. You should direct more to the gateway operator as we are are running those gateways in the first place. People have a need for info about how to run gateways, jnos, linux and it is the gateway operators who can help. I receive a lot of questions about this and I help a lot of people.
Also a lot or maybe some of the gateways operators can already issue new 44 addresses for their own gateways (I can) so it should be good if the user can contact us.
We are often in a much better position to help that new user without waiting.
73,
Bob VE3TOK
Hi Bob,
I don't see much a need for the user to register depending on the situation.
Please don't get tunnel vision regarding gateways and the tunnelled IPIP network, that is just one part of it. There are other types of allocations and we need to ensure we have up to date contact details for the entity responsible for all allocated subnets.
Also, bear in mind that not all gateway operators are in a position to assist to the extent that you are, nor are all gateway operators prepared to be responsible for how their users behave, different countries operate in vastly different ways.
What we need to do is build up a database of people that are responsible for the IP addresses allocated. If a gateway operator is happy to take on that responsibility, then they can be allocated a subnet of IP's as an end user, the system then will not allow any further sub-allocations under them. That gateway operator can then distribute the IP's to their connected hosts as he/she see fit, but if there are any problems, as the saying goes - the buck stops with him/her.
Chris
Hi Chris,
I'm not against that a database is created because that is a very good thing to manage the whole thing and improve the network and to get a handle on things. I started this discussion because we have much the fear that requested addresses (or even to be routed subnets) end up in /dev/null or take a very long time. I register these addresses in a very fast turnaround for my subnets if requested. People have bad experiences in this respect with registering stuff as you have noticed in certain locations.
To go in the details
You can add subnets (Edit Gateway) to my gateways but I don't see any networks in "allocations" for me. that means that be default the address coordination of my subnet(s) is assigned to the Regional/Country coordinator, although I already do that for a very long time before your portal.
What happens if I request an allocation, you mentioned that because that is a crucial point.. Will I be listed as address coordinator in networks for that subnet at your portal so that any request by an end user for addresses in that subnet are emailed to me instead of the regional or in our case the country coordinator?
(If approved by the powers to be)
73,
Bob VE3TOK
On 13-02-03 03:56 AM, Chris Smith wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Hi Bob,
I don't see much a need for the user to register depending on the situation.
Please don't get tunnel vision regarding gateways and the tunnelled IPIP network, that is just one part of it. There are other types of allocations and we need to ensure we have up to date contact details for the entity responsible for all allocated subnets.
Also, bear in mind that not all gateway operators are in a position to assist to the extent that you are, nor are all gateway operators prepared to be responsible for how their users behave, different countries operate in vastly different ways.
What we need to do is build up a database of people that are responsible for the IP addresses allocated. If a gateway operator is happy to take on that responsibility, then they can be allocated a subnet of IP's as an end user, the system then will not allow any further sub-allocations under them. That gateway operator can then distribute the IP's to their connected hosts as he/she see fit, but if there are any problems, as the saying goes - the buck stops with him/her.
Chris
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Le 02/02/2013 19:11, ze.bot@free.fr a écrit :
I think that there is a problem with a new allocation inside France 44.151.0.0. https://portal.ampr.org/networks.php?a=region&id=295 There is a declaration of one single user (not a network) with a /16 atthe end...
Hello,
i do what i tell me... Nothings else... Sorry for the mistake
What is the good thing to declare french user on the network in order to correct the error ?
Change in /32 ?
How to found the route of the users of the networks ?
Thank's a lot.
Ludovic - F5PBG.
Hello,
i do what i tell me... Nothings else... Sorry for the mistake
What is the good thing to declare french user on the network in order to correct the error ?
Change in /32 ?
How to found the route of the users of the networks ?
A single IP address such as the one here gets a CIDR mask of /32. A 16 node subnet would get a /28 and this is equivalent to a net mask of 255.255.255.240. Other masks will depend on the size of the network being registered. If a user is registering his single IP then use the /32 mask.
Thank's a lot.
Ludovic - F5PBG.
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